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Jeff Lebowski · 03-10-2008, 09:53 PM

Our family trips are more adventurous than anything the scouts/ym do. My daughter was an expert at rappelling at age 11.

She is a new beehive so she may end up being disappointed with lame YW activities. I haven't heard any complaints yet, and I doubt I will. Right now she just thrilled to be going to mutual with the older YW.

FMCoug · 03-10-2008, 09:53 PM

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Originally Posted by FMCoug

So you don't count 11 year old scout campouts either? The ones where the dads have to go with the boys?

Wait ... I'm getting sucked into thinking this was a legitimate question. Never mind.

You're right Mike, the church is sexist.

MikeWaters · 03-10-2008, 09:56 PM

All I'm asking is this: if YM are thought to benefit from an outdoor program, are YW thought to benefit as well?

It seems the answer is "no". And if you believe that answer, I would submit that the coming divorce between BSA and LDS is coming sooner than you think.

smokymountainrain · 03-10-2008, 10:01 PM

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Originally Posted by MikeWaters

All I'm asking is this: if YM are thought to benefit from an outdoor program, are YW thought to benefit as well?

It seems the answer is "no". And if you believe that answer, I would submit that the coming divorce between BSA and LDS is coming sooner than you think.

Wouldn't it be nice...

Has there ever been a church President more passionate about scouting than Monson?

TripletDaddy · 03-10-2008, 10:06 PM

I am hoping that the Church ditches scouting soon, before my son gets to Cub Scout age.

Please, please, please let me get what I want this time....

MikeWaters · 03-10-2008, 10:11 PM

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Originally Posted by TripletDaddy

I am hoping that the Church ditches scouting soon, before my son gets to Cub Scout age.

Please, please, please let me get what I want this time....

You can have your son not do scouting. You have that right.

il Padrino Ute · 03-10-2008, 10:13 PM

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Originally Posted by TripletDaddy

I am hoping that the Church ditches scouting soon, before my son gets to Cub Scout age.

Please, please, please let me get what I want this time....

Singing a Smith's song ain't gonna get it done. It's up to you.

MikeWaters · 03-10-2008, 10:16 PM

I think at some level it might come down to this:

The church is interested in developing leaders among the YM (see scouting and missions).

The church is very much less interested in developing leaders about the YW.

This has an interesting effect. No YW is ever a disappointment in YW's programs or because she didn't go on a mission. YM are disappointments (broadly speaking) when they don't advance in scouting and don't go on missions.

It's a two-tiered church. I'm merely pointing this out as a hypothesis. And suggesting that women in the church represent untapped, unharnessed potential for leadership and progress.

TripletDaddy · 03-10-2008, 10:19 PM

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Originally Posted by il Padrino Ute

Singing a Smith's song ain't gonna get it done. It's up to you.

What difference does it make?

TripletDaddy · 03-10-2008, 10:22 PM

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Originally Posted by MikeWaters

You can have your son not do scouting. You have that right.

True, but if Scouting is still part of the Church program, I dont want to discourage him from participating.

I would be just as happy if they Church eliminated Scouts and simply encouraged the youth to surf.

03-10-2008, 09:53 PM	#11
Jeff Lebowski Charon Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: In the heart of darkness (Provo) Posts: 9,564	Our family trips are more adventurous than anything the scouts/ym do. My daughter was an expert at rappelling at age 11. She is a new beehive so she may end up being disappointed with lame YW activities. I haven't heard any complaints yet, and I doubt I will. Right now she just thrilled to be going to mutual with the older YW. __________________ "... the arc of the universe is long but it bends toward justice." Martin Luther King, Jr.

03-10-2008, 10:06 PM	#15
TripletDaddy Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Orange County, CA Posts: 9,483	I am hoping that the Church ditches scouting soon, before my son gets to Cub Scout age. Please, please, please let me get what I want this time.... __________________ Fitter. Happier. More Productive. "Everyone is against me. Everyone is fawning for 3D's attention and defending him." -- SeattleUte

03-10-2008, 09:56 PM	#13
MikeWaters Demiurge Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 36,365	All I'm asking is this: if YM are thought to benefit from an outdoor program, are YW thought to benefit as well? It seems the answer is "no". And if you believe that answer, I would submit that the coming divorce between BSA and LDS is coming sooner than you think.

03-10-2008, 10:16 PM	#18
MikeWaters Demiurge Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 36,365	I think at some level it might come down to this: The church is interested in developing leaders among the YM (see scouting and missions). The church is very much less interested in developing leaders about the YW. This has an interesting effect. No YW is ever a disappointment in YW's programs or because she didn't go on a mission. YM are disappointments (broadly speaking) when they don't advance in scouting and don't go on missions. It's a two-tiered church. I'm merely pointing this out as a hypothesis. And suggesting that women in the church represent untapped, unharnessed potential for leadership and progress.