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bluegoose · 11-21-2005, 07:44 PM

What did the last play in overtime look like from the stands?

Our view on tv was incredibly limited. It looked to me like Beck had a mile of open field in front of him about the time he chucked the ball into no-mans land in the back of the end zone. Could he have been confident about running for the first down or were there some linebackers lurking that made him think twice?

Also, how did the play develop in the endzone itself? On tv it looked initially like a jump ball. Then when the field came into view there was nobody near where he threw it. Then all of a sudden Reed appears "out of nowhere" to make it look close.

Not that it matters, but it would have been nice in this case to have the multiple camara views that are available on the other game plan channel to see exactly what broke down on the play.

tooblue · 11-21-2005, 08:33 PM

Reid getting close to that ball is irrelevant ... Beck should have run for the first down ... they dropped 10 into coverage, there is no way they would get to him before he got to the first down ... seriously, I think he doesn't run because he is frightened of getting hurt and in turn hurting his chances to play at the next level.

I have thought this all year.

mpfunk · 11-21-2005, 10:49 PM

Beck really should have run on that one. It was a great call by the Utes to put in the Circus Defense at that time and then run a completely different look out of it. I thought the defense was a good call, but in the end if Beck was smart he would have go the first down.

I've got to say that the Utes using the trick defense was a great coaching move by Whittingham and Anderson. Entirely unexpected and every time the Utes used it the thing worked. I think that is one way that the wide oline splits with slow offensive lineman like BYU's can be exploited. Put a lot of fast players in and try to take advantage of the speed.

Beck is a good QB, but it just seems like he is not a winner.

ute4ever · 11-21-2005, 11:32 PM

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Originally Posted by mpfunk

Beck is a good QB, but it just seems like he is not a winner.

How then is he a good QB? Does averaging 300 yards passing make someone a good QB?

Beck manages to hit one of his four wideouts 65% of the time, in an offense geared towards the passing game. This results in good passing numbers over 60 minutes. But when the s*** hits the fan and the team needs a leader, he folds.

myboynoah · 11-22-2005, 09:59 PM

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Originally Posted by ute4ever

How then is he a good QB? Does averaging 300 yards passing make someone a good QB?

Beck manages to hit one of his four wideouts 65% of the time, in an offense geared towards the passing game. This results in good passing numbers over 60 minutes. But when the s*** hits the fan and the team needs a leader, he folds.

I don't know if I'd be that harsh. He played very clutch against TCU (a drive at the end of regulation to tie the game and then the TD pass in OT) and then two drives to beat NM. He was also pretty good in the second half against Utah, bring the Cougars back time and again. Yes, he did fail in the end against Utah, but c'mom, how would you hold up if you knew that you had to score every possession due to a very porous defense? He's also had plenty of passes dropped this season.

I'll keep him.

Archaea · 11-22-2005, 10:14 PM

Brown virtually carried the team on his back, yet during crunch time, they forgot about him, and the team lost.

Beck is not the quintessential money player. He can be a good player, but my money would have been on Brown if Anae and Beck had given him more touches during the last two drives.

I stated, even though I was merely listening, once I started hearing the passes being thrown, that Anae is blowing this one. You have a horse who was winning it for you, stay with that horse. Instead we have a bunch of poorly thrown balls.

Beck wants to be McMahon but he doesn't have the tools to do it. Brown does.

myboynoah · 11-22-2005, 10:28 PM

I too didn't understand why, with two minutes to go and the ball, we didn't run Brown. It would eat up clock and take advantage of Utah dropping back in coverage. Also, he was killing them in the second half. Was it Beck or Anae's fault? I don't know, but I was mystified and very pissed that Utah got the ball back with time to take it to our weak defense.

IMO, Beck certainly isn't the greatest, but he is better than adequate. I think he stacks up fairly well against the other QBs in the conference, which says more about the talent level than Beck himself.

Yes, Brown is the Man, but fix the defense, and they'll both look all-conference.

Archaea · 11-22-2005, 10:34 PM

no doubt

JazzyUte · 12-06-2005, 03:58 AM

I was sitting in the north-endzone so I got a pretty good look at it. Beck probably would have been short of the first down if he had ran for it. There were two key defenders that probably could have gotten to him before the first down.

There would have been a slim chance Beck broke through, but I don't think it would have worked.

cougjunkie · 12-06-2005, 06:17 PM

No way does Beck run for a first down, he had two LB's in about 10 yards in front of him a DB right behind him, he doesnt get the first down, he made the smart play, how many times do you see on 4th down with the game on the line a qb not even getting the pass off? I am happy he got rid of it.

11-21-2005, 07:44 PM	#1
bluegoose Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Northern California Posts: 2,919	Question for anyone at the game this weekend What did the last play in overtime look like from the stands? Our view on tv was incredibly limited. It looked to me like Beck had a mile of open field in front of him about the time he chucked the ball into no-mans land in the back of the end zone. Could he have been confident about running for the first down or were there some linebackers lurking that made him think twice? Also, how did the play develop in the endzone itself? On tv it looked initially like a jump ball. Then when the field came into view there was nobody near where he threw it. Then all of a sudden Reed appears "out of nowhere" to make it look close. Not that it matters, but it would have been nice in this case to have the multiple camara views that are available on the other game plan channel to see exactly what broke down on the play.

11-22-2005, 10:14 PM	#6
Archaea Assistant to the Regional Manager Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: The Orgasmatron Posts: 24,338	My criticism is moving away from what was working. Brown virtually carried the team on his back, yet during crunch time, they forgot about him, and the team lost. Beck is not the quintessential money player. He can be a good player, but my money would have been on Brown if Anae and Beck had given him more touches during the last two drives. I stated, even though I was merely listening, once I started hearing the passes being thrown, that Anae is blowing this one. You have a horse who was winning it for you, stay with that horse. Instead we have a bunch of poorly thrown balls. Beck wants to be McMahon but he doesn't have the tools to do it. Brown does. __________________ Ἓν οἶδα ὅτι οὐδὲν οἶδα

11-22-2005, 10:28 PM	#7
myboynoah Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Memphis freakin' Tennessee!!!!! Posts: 4,530	I agree on Brown I too didn't understand why, with two minutes to go and the ball, we didn't run Brown. It would eat up clock and take advantage of Utah dropping back in coverage. Also, he was killing them in the second half. Was it Beck or Anae's fault? I don't know, but I was mystified and very pissed that Utah got the ball back with time to take it to our weak defense. IMO, Beck certainly isn't the greatest, but he is better than adequate. I think he stacks up fairly well against the other QBs in the conference, which says more about the talent level than Beck himself. Yes, Brown is the Man, but fix the defense, and they'll both look all-conference. __________________ Give 'em Hell, Cougars!!! Religion rises inevitably from our apprehension of our own death. To give meaning to meaninglessness is the endless quest of all religion. When death becomes the center of our consciousness, then religion authentically begins. Of all religions that I know, the one that most vehemently and persuasively defies and denies the reality of death is the original Mormonism of the Prophet, Seer and Revelator, Joseph Smith.

11-22-2005, 10:34 PM	#8
Archaea Assistant to the Regional Manager Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: The Orgasmatron Posts: 24,338	The QB quality in conference is very shallow no doubt __________________ Ἓν οἶδα ὅτι οὐδὲν οἶδα

12-06-2005, 06:17 PM	#10
cougjunkie Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Utah Posts: 5,741	please rewatch that play No way does Beck run for a first down, he had two LB's in about 10 yards in front of him a DB right behind him, he doesnt get the first down, he made the smart play, how many times do you see on 4th down with the game on the line a qb not even getting the pass off? I am happy he got rid of it.

11-21-2005, 08:33 PM	#2
tooblue Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 4,016	Reid getting close to that ball is irrelevant ... Beck should have run for the first down ... they dropped 10 into coverage, there is no way they would get to him before he got to the first down ... seriously, I think he doesn't run because he is frightened of getting hurt and in turn hurting his chances to play at the next level. I have thought this all year.

11-21-2005, 10:49 PM	#3
mpfunk Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Portland, OR Posts: 2,619	Beck really should have run on that one. It was a great call by the Utes to put in the Circus Defense at that time and then run a completely different look out of it. I thought the defense was a good call, but in the end if Beck was smart he would have go the first down. I've got to say that the Utes using the trick defense was a great coaching move by Whittingham and Anderson. Entirely unexpected and every time the Utes used it the thing worked. I think that is one way that the wide oline splits with slow offensive lineman like BYU's can be exploited. Put a lot of fast players in and try to take advantage of the speed. Beck is a good QB, but it just seems like he is not a winner.

12-06-2005, 03:58 AM	#9
JazzyUte Junior Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: SLC Posts: 35	I was sitting in the north-endzone so I got a pretty good look at it. Beck probably would have been short of the first down if he had ran for it. There were two key defenders that probably could have gotten to him before the first down. There would have been a slim chance Beck broke through, but I don't think it would have worked.