The Health Care Debate Problem:

[Archaea]

agreeing upon what the "problem" actually is.

Is it simply health care "costs" too much?

Is it the lack of universal access?

Is it rationing?

What is it?

Those pandering to the socialist mentality that government's job is to provide a littany of expensive services in order to ensure the re-election of certain officials, believe that the "problem" is, too many of their voting electorate cannot pay for a high enough level of health care services.

Hence there solution is to inject a government solution, since government is the panacea for all the world's ills, thereby increasing the need for government involvement, government power and influence and the subservience of the public drinking at the trough of government assistance.

As a recent Atlantic article, entitled roughly, the Cost Conumdrum, pointed out, a government payment source doesn't really address the complexities of health care delivery issues. The examples of Mayo Clinic and a Colorado community were used to show how providers if they worked together could come together to delivery high quality health care at reasonable costs. Neither one of them involved government intervention, something which is probably objection to Obamites. It is not possible to delineate the complex problems, but the problem solving aspect and the training of professionals to use the expertise of other physicians to exercise better disease management at better cost, is all but ignored, because it doesn't pander to their true objectives, more government involvement and more voters on their side of the ledger.

[MikeWaters]

Obama will:

1. Save all Americans money, by decreasing overall healthcare costs.
2. He will do so without limiting any options, and will not allow one iota of rationing.
3. Taxes won't be raised by 1 cent to pay for it, for any American making less than 250k.

And then he has the gall to tell us that everyone else is lying except him.

It's actually a New Yorker article, not an Atlantic article.

There are a lot of free-market type ways to decrease healthcare costs. We just choose not to use them. Because Americans don't want to really, in their heart of hearts, decrease healthcare costs.

[Archaea]

Originally Posted by MikeWaters

Obama will:

1. Save all Americans money, by decreasing overall healthcare costs.
2. He will do so without limiting any options, and will not allow one iota of rationing.
3. Taxes won't be raised by 1 cent to pay for it, for any American making less than 250k.

And then he has the gall to tell us that everyone else is lying except him.

It's actually a New Yorker article, not an Atlantic article.

There are a lot of free-market type ways to decrease healthcare costs. We just choose not to use them. Because Americans don't want to really, in their heart of hearts, decrease healthcare costs.

I call bunk on any argument which shows any reduction of costs by government management. For example, Medicare rates often induce providers to shift costs to cash or private insurance. Government health care initiatives don't save money just shift costs.

[MikeWaters]

Originally Posted by Archaea

I call bunk on any argument which shows any reduction of costs by government management. For example, Medicare rates often induce providers to shift casts to cash or private insurance. Government health care initiatives don't save money just shift costs.

Bingo.