Rep. Foxx, trying to take the Crazy Crown away from Bachmann...

[Cali Coug]

http://www.politico.com/blogs/glennt...Foxx_says.html

Don't worry- it is just a myth. Ergo, no hate crime legislation is needed anywhere, whereas hate crime legislation would have been needed if it wasn't a myth. For Foxx, it really all comes down to just this one crime (if so, she could at least get it right).

[TheAzzuri]

Can I then assume you're a proponent? I ask because I am curious to know the rationale behind it from someone who is for it.


Or were you just using this as a way to take a potshot at republicans?
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[Cali Coug]

Originally Posted by TheAzzuri

Can I then assume you're a proponent? I ask because I am curious to know the rationale behind it from someone who is for it.


Or were you just using this as a way to take a potshot at republicans?

I haven't read the bill, and I am not sure what one's position on this bill has to do with the wildly inappropriate remarks by Foxx. Are you familiar at all with what happened to Matthew Shephard? No matter how one feels about the bill, what she said reflected a tremendous amount of ignorance, insecurity, and insensitivity.

[MikeWaters]

Originally Posted by Cali Coug

I haven't read the bill, and I am not sure what one's position on this bill has to do with the wildly inappropriate remarks by Foxx. Are you familiar at all with what happened to Matthew Shephard? No matter how one feels about the bill, what she said reflected a tremendous amount of ignorance, insecurity, and insensitivity.

He asked you how you feel about hate crime legislation.

[Cali Coug]

Originally Posted by MikeWaters

He asked you how you feel about hate crime legislation.

No, he asked how I feel about this specific hate crime legislation, and I can't really respond since I haven't read it or a summary of it. In general, I support hate crime legislation though.

[TheAzzuri]

Originally Posted by Cali Coug

No, he asked how I feel about this specific hate crime legislation, and I can't really respond since I haven't read it or a summary of it. In general, I support hate crime legislation though.

My wording was ambiguous, I was asking about hate crime legislation in general. In my original question, I was asking if you supported it generally or if you were just using a wacko comment to take a potshot at republicans.

I'm curious to know your rationale. It's a topic that is so emotionally charged that it's difficult to have any sort of open discussion. Maybe there are things I haven't considered.

In the interest of disclosure, I do think Matthew Sheppard was a crime of hate, but I don't think the crime would have been any less hateful had he been straight. I haven't read the current bill either, but the idea makes me uncomfortable both in principle and in execution. Is deterrence the goal? If not, what is?
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[Cali Coug]

Originally Posted by TheAzzuri

My wording was ambiguous, I was asking about hate crime legislation in general. In my original question, I was asking if you supported it generally or if you were just using a wacko comment to take a potshot at republicans.

I'm curious to know your rationale. It's a topic that is so emotionally charged that it's difficult to have any sort of open discussion. Maybe there are things I haven't considered.

In the interest of disclosure, I do think Matthew Sheppard was a crime of hate, but I don't think the crime would have been any less hateful had he been straight. I haven't read the current bill either, but the idea makes me uncomfortable both in principle and in execution. Is deterrence the goal? If not, what is?

It isn't that the crime would be less hateful if he was straight, it is that the crime likely wouldn't have happened at all but for the fact that he wasn't straight. The state absolutely has an interest in deterring such conduct. Not all hate crimes end in murder (which will be prosecuted strongly whether it is a hate crime or not, presumably). Burning crosses in people's lawns, targeting a minority for harassment, etc. Such conduct can't and mustn't be tolerated. So yes, I favor hate crime legislation.

This is all a distraction from the absurd remarks of Rep. Foxx, though. I don't think it appropriate that her comments be dismissed so quickly and easily.

[TheAzzuri]

Originally Posted by Cali Coug

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This is all a distraction from the absurd remarks of Rep. Foxx, though. I don't think it appropriate that her comments be dismissed so quickly and easily.

LOL, you nailed me on that one. Distraction was indeed my game. Clearly what we need is more partisan motivated he-said she-said bickering and less discussion about issues.

I will leave you and your righteous indignation in peace.
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[Cali Coug]

Originally Posted by TheAzzuri

LOL, you nailed me on that one. Distraction was indeed my game. Clearly what we need is more partisan motivated he-said she-said bickering and less discussion about issues.

I will leave you and your righteous indignation in peace.

I think it is sad that someone on one side of the aisle can say something as absurd and insensitive as what Foxx said, and people like you jump into the fray and say "we shouldn't talk about her comments- that is only partisan bickering." Her comments are despicable and should be called as such, regardless of her party affiliation.

And yes, your comments were designed as a distraction. Note you never addressed the substance of hate crime legislation after I responded.