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Archaea · 11-20-2007, 05:02 PM

Why did it include the anti-war stuff?

For the most part, the petition was clever, but when they took shot at that aspect, I wondered if they had contemplated the ramifications of their petition.

Any ideas?

Quote:

We claim the life-affirming powers of spirit and wisdom, and reject the glorification of violence in all its forms. We are filled with unutterable sadness by the Book of Mormon story of more than 2,000 young soldiers whose mothers teach them that faith in God will preserve them in battles in which they kill other mothers' children. This is not a success story. It is a story of the failure of human relationships and the horrors of war. In a world that has grown increasingly violent, we believe that one of the most important passages in LDS scripture is D&C 98:16: “Therefore, renounce war and proclaim peace. . . .

It otherwise seems out of harmony with the remainder of the petition.

SteelBlue · 11-20-2007, 07:08 PM

I thought that was really strange as well. I'd like to go on record as stating that I don't believe that anyone is actually filled with "unutterable sadness" about any BoM story. Talk about hyperbole.

il Padrino Ute · 11-21-2007, 01:20 AM

Only the feminazis in the LDS Church are upset about Sister Beck's inspired talk. Feminazis are hardcore liberal leftists and we all know how the libs feel about the war.

Burning Bright · 11-21-2007, 03:11 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Archaea

Why did it include the anti-war stuff?

For the most part, the petition was clever, but when they took shot at that aspect, I wondered if they had contemplated the ramifications of their petition.

Any ideas?

It otherwise seems out of harmony with the remainder of the petition.

I thought you were kidding or maybe attempting satire so I checked out the petition. Wow, it really does say that.

Stumpy · 11-21-2007, 03:10 PM

I missed the last GC and am just learning about sister Beck's controversial talk from some of your posts, so I don't really feel like I can speak about that, but this war statement is one of the few parts that makes a lot of sense. As LDS I think we are too prone to interpret the story of the Strippling Warriors as a glorification of valor and honor rather than a story of bloody and tragic necessity. Just as the mothers of those warriors saw it as their responsibility to gird up their sons spiritually, I think these current mothers think they are doing the same thing, and in this way being true to the ideas that sister Beck was talking about.
I have taken these posts as an opportunity to read Sister Beck's talk (it looks like a tiny talk in print) and also to review President Hinckley's war talk from 2003. The BOM was written for our day, which seems obvious when we see what it says about war. War and our attitudes about it are the primary issues of our generation, and will probably continue to be until Christ returns. I'm happy to see brave LDS women take the opportunity to proclaim peace. I think Christ would do the same.

8ballrollin · 11-21-2007, 06:12 PM

Am I the only one who thought the rebuttal read like a takeoff of a "What Oprah Knows For Sure" column? I couldn't get passed that. Sue me.

11-21-2007, 01:20 AM	#3
il Padrino Ute Board Pinhead Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: In the basement of my house, Murray, Utah. Posts: 15,941	Only the feminazis in the LDS Church are upset about Sister Beck's inspired talk. Feminazis are hardcore liberal leftists and we all know how the libs feel about the war. __________________ "The beauty of baseball is not having to explain it." - Chuck Shriver "This is now the joke that stupid people laugh at." - Christopher Hitchens on IQ jokes about GWB.

11-20-2007, 07:08 PM	#2
SteelBlue Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Norcal Posts: 5,821	I thought that was really strange as well. I'd like to go on record as stating that I don't believe that anyone is actually filled with "unutterable sadness" about any BoM story. Talk about hyperbole.

11-21-2007, 03:10 PM	#5
Stumpy Junior Member Join Date: Nov 2007 Posts: 20	I missed the last GC and am just learning about sister Beck's controversial talk from some of your posts, so I don't really feel like I can speak about that, but this war statement is one of the few parts that makes a lot of sense. As LDS I think we are too prone to interpret the story of the Strippling Warriors as a glorification of valor and honor rather than a story of bloody and tragic necessity. Just as the mothers of those warriors saw it as their responsibility to gird up their sons spiritually, I think these current mothers think they are doing the same thing, and in this way being true to the ideas that sister Beck was talking about. I have taken these posts as an opportunity to read Sister Beck's talk (it looks like a tiny talk in print) and also to review President Hinckley's war talk from 2003. The BOM was written for our day, which seems obvious when we see what it says about war. War and our attitudes about it are the primary issues of our generation, and will probably continue to be until Christ returns. I'm happy to see brave LDS women take the opportunity to proclaim peace. I think Christ would do the same.

11-21-2007, 06:12 PM	#6
8ballrollin Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: WA Posts: 1,287	Am I the only one who thought the rebuttal read like a takeoff of a "What Oprah Knows For Sure" column? I couldn't get passed that. Sue me.