Please escort your children away from the pleasantness...

[UteStar]

We had a nice talk in church yesterday. Now, our ward is growing and there are a lot of little kids. The overflow is open every Sunday and the rows extend back by about 15 rows.

The talk was about being reverent and how it can get loud in church. The stake presidency speaker then said that if a child is misbehaving, the father, not the mother, should be the one that takes the kid out of the meeting. It was hard for me to hear him say that because my kids were too distracting for me, but lets just say, the foyer was filled with around 30 fathers and none of them seemed too displeased to be out there. There was a lot of baseball/football/life talk going out there among the men. The women, on the other hand, enjoyed a long boring 30 minute talk.

[Archaea]

Originally Posted by UteStar

We had a nice talk in church yesterday. Now, our ward is growing and there are a lot of little kids. The overflow is open every Sunday and the rows extend back by about 15 rows.

The talk was about being reverent and how it can get loud in church. The stake presidency speaker then said that if a child is misbehaving, the father, not the mother, should be the one that takes the kid out of the meeting. It was hard for me to hear him say that because my kids were too distracting for me, but lets just say, the foyer was filled with around 30 fathers and none of them seemed too displeased to be out there. There was a lot of baseball/football/life talk going out there among the men. The women, on the other hand, enjoyed a long boring 30 minute talk.

Escorting my children out into the foyer was a favorite of mine. Now mine behave.

[non sequitur]

Originally Posted by Archaea

Escorting my children out into the foyer was a favorite of mine. Now mine behave.

I remember when mine were infants and I used to pinch them just so they would cry and I could take them out to the foyer.

[BigFatMeanie]

Originally Posted by UteStar

We had a nice talk in church yesterday. Now, our ward is growing and there are a lot of little kids. The overflow is open every Sunday and the rows extend back by about 15 rows.

The talk was about being reverent and how it can get loud in church. The stake presidency speaker then said that if a child is misbehaving, the father, not the mother, should be the one that takes the kid out of the meeting. It was hard for me to hear him say that because my kids were too distracting for me, but lets just say, the foyer was filled with around 30 fathers and none of them seemed too displeased to be out there. There was a lot of baseball/football/life talk going out there among the men. The women, on the other hand, enjoyed a long boring 30 minute talk.

The counsel of father being the "escorter" was originally given by Elder Ballard in a General Conference talk. That's probably why the SP reiterated it. That particular tidbit of counsel has always irritated me a bit; however, my kids sit relatively still in church and the youngest is three thus we don't ever need to take them out anymore.

[Tex]

Originally Posted by BigFatMeanie

The counsel of father being the "escorter" was originally given by Elder Ballard in a General Conference talk. That's probably why the SP reiterated it. That particular tidbit of counsel has always irritated me a bit; however, my kids sit relatively still in church and the youngest is three thus we don't ever need to take them out anymore.

Do you have a link to this talk?

[BigFatMeanie]

Originally Posted by Tex

Do you have a link to this talk?

Sorry - it was Packer, not Ballard (which makes a lot more sense when you think about it):

"Reverence Invites Revelation" October, 1991 General Conference Report (NOTE: The link is from an ensign article but the talk was definitely given in 1991 conference.)

Irreverent conduct in our chapels is worthy of a reminder, if not reproof. Leaders should teach that reverence invites revelation.

The reverence we speak of does not equate with absolute silence. We must be tolerant of little babies, even an occasional outburst from a toddler being ushered out to keep him from disturbing the peace. Unless the father is on the stand, he should do the ushering.

[BYU71]

Originally Posted by BigFatMeanie

Sorry - it was Packer, not Ballard (which makes a lot more sense when you think about it):

"Reverence Invites Revelation" October, 1991 General Conference Report (NOTE: The link is from an ensign article but the talk was definitely given in 1991 conference.)

Could some of you more conservative members explain why it is better for the father to take them out. Are we admitting to a fact that we believe the father is the more dominant person in the household and should take his rightful position.

I don't know why we pussyfoot around this. The man should be incharge of the house and the woman second in command. Elder Packer is correct. Children should learn the hierarchy of the family. We would have a lot less trouble with our wives. Had my mother in law learned that lesson, I might have not gotten divorced.

[Archaea]

Because they control the sex lives, we really have only phantom control.

As Bill Cosby stated, I've seen the Boss's job and I don't want it.

[jay santos]

Originally Posted by BYU71

Could some of you more conservative members explain why it is better for the father to take them out. Are we admitting to a fact that we believe the father is the more dominant person in the household and should take his rightful position.

I don't know why we pussyfoot around this. The man should be incharge of the house and the woman second in command. Elder Packer is correct. Children should learn the hierarchy of the family. We would have a lot less trouble with our wives. Had my mother in law learned that lesson, I might have not gotten divorced.

I don't remember the Elder Packer talk, but the way I've heard it framed was that the fathers should take care of this as a service to allow their wives to enjoy a sacrament meeting without bothering with the kids. But the sexist angle is good too.

[Tex]

Originally Posted by BYU71

Could some of you more conservative members explain why it is better for the father to take them out. Are we admitting to a fact that we believe the father is the more dominant person in the household and should take his rightful position.

I don't know why we pussyfoot around this. The man should be incharge of the house and the woman second in command. Elder Packer is correct. Children should learn the hierarchy of the family. We would have a lot less trouble with our wives. Had my mother in law learned that lesson, I might have not gotten divorced.

You might just want to look up the definition of "presiding" in church doctrine.