For those of you with daughters...

[MikeWaters]

Originally Posted by Burning Bright

It can be done in the framework of scouting, but why?

It'll just cost more money with more paperwork.

Why does a Mormon need to go to church? Costs a lot to build those churches. Lots of paperwork.

Because organization and structure is what makes the world go round.

[Burning Bright]

Originally Posted by il Padrino Ute

I'd venture to guess that those who think the Boy Scouts is for dorks, are those who failed to achieve the rank of Eagle.

I didn't fail to achieve the rank of Eagle. I had no interest or desire to be an Eagle.

I didn't have the best experiences with Scouting when I was young. Maybe I'd feel differently if I had.

Also, I know for a fact that most 16-18 year old girls think Scouting is dorky (especially the uniforms) and I'd just as soon my boys had a date now and then and eventually get married.

I don't want to be Elder's Quorum President in 5 years with a buncha losers in my quorum.

[K-dog]

Originally Posted by MikeWaters

Why do you think it is only a minority that needs strong positive male role modeling?

I think the minority are lacking in that. Our Young Men have fathers, priesthood leaders, and Bishops who can fill that role without also having scout masters.

[Burning Bright]

Originally Posted by MikeWaters

Why does a Mormon need to go to church? Costs a lot to build those churches. Lots of paperwork.

Because organization and structure is what makes the world go round.

You know what, if my boys were more into scouting, I would be too. But they're not and I'm not. I don't think it's what they need and the boys are more important than the program.

[MikeWaters]

I take it your boys do zero mentoring of the younger boys.

[Burning Bright]

Originally Posted by MikeWaters

I take it your boys do zero mentoring of the younger boys.

In my ward, the deacons should be mentoring the older boys.

[MikeWaters]

Originally Posted by Burning Bright

In my ward, the deacons should be mentoring the older boys.

actually this is probably true in some respects in my ward.

[il Padrino Ute]

Originally Posted by Burning Bright

I didn't fail to achieve the rank of Eagle. I had no interest or desire to be an Eagle.

I didn't have the best experiences with Scouting when I was young. Maybe I'd feel differently if I had.

Also, I know for a fact that most 16-18 year old girls think Scouting is dorky (especially the uniforms) and I'd just as soon my boys had a date now and then and eventually get married.

I don't want to be Elder's Quorum President in 5 years with a buncha losers in my quorum.

Fair enough.

My scouting experience wasn't the best - my dad was the scoutmaster and I had other interests that were more important to me - and the deal for me was that I could quit scouts as soon as I became an Eagle Scout. I got it just before I turned 14.

The one thing I did take away from scouting was how to set and reach goals. That has been something useful in my entire life.

I just think that parents shouldn't take the scouting program away from the boys because the parents don't like it. I'm not saying that that is what you want, but there are many parents who don't like it because they feel like it is an infringement on their lives rather than considering what the boys want.

[K-dog]

Originally Posted by il Padrino Ute

Fair enough.

My scouting experience wasn't the best - my dad was the scoutmaster and I had other interests that were more important to me - and the deal for me was that I could quit scouts as soon as I became an Eagle Scout. I got it just before I turned 14.

The one thing I did take away from scouting was how to set and reach goals. That has been something useful in my entire life.

I just think that parents shouldn't take the scouting program away from the boys because the parents don't like it. I'm not saying that that is what you want, but there are many parents who don't like it because they feel like it is an infringement on their lives rather than considering what the boys want.

I think that is an excellent point.