01-30-2007, 08:31 PM | #31 |
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Do "diseases" which are not based upon an invasive pathogen behave similarly to diseases arising from invasive pathogens?
I recognize we classify invasive versus noninvasive pathogens as diseases, but is the path identical for the two branches?
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So yeah, absolutely there could be something else more responsible for the problem. Here's the unfortunate reality, at times, for psychologists, psychiatrists, social workers, or anyone else in the field for that matter: The diagnostic system presents a very alluring mode of ambiguity management, and human beings are nothing if not complex. Too often professionals will foreclose on a diagnosis and dive into treating that problem because they see that diagnosis as an endpoint. Clients are often willing participants in this process, too, as sometimes they are happy to collude with the 'expert' in externalizing and abdicating responsibility, or avoiding the deeper, more fundamental issue. It's likely different with the more severe population that Waters works with, but I generally (not always) work with fairly 'normal' individuals who can maintain at least a semblance of functionality. I can't tell you how many times I've had someone come in, say "yeah, I've got (thus and such) disorder and I need help," only to find after some work and establishing some trust that we're dealing with far more than was originally disclosed. Often these people have diagnosed themselves on some internet site or have heard it from a doctor who saw them for 5 minutes and gave them a 10 question screener. So yeah, I guess what I'm saying is definitely there can be something more to any problem, including alcoholism, that will be key to address in order to facilitate full recovery and healthy living. In fact, I'd use the words 'very often' at least in my work. To be fair, conversely there are those in my field that are ALWAYS digging deeper, trying to find something that isn't there. It's not surprising to hear of practitioners here and there who have entire caseloads of abuse victims, or of people with multiple personalities--and not because that is their niche, but because that's what they always 'find'. That was a way longer answer than you were looking for, but I was just talking with someone about this phenomenon so it's on my mind.
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Just goes to show you that calling something a disease doesn't necessarily lead anywhere of practical significance.
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Yes eating disorders are also classified as diseases. Bulimia nervosa Anorexia nervosa Eating disorder Not Otherwise specified. http://www.psychiatryonline.com/content.aspx?aID=3610 |
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No greater value is to be placed on the one approach or the other? I think I'll pass on that philosophy. Doctors treat disease. Folks with anorexia are not put in the ICU for their non-disease. If you are not interested in thinking of any human condition as disease, just say so. So we know what we are dealing with. |
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