We're screwed

[ChinoCoug]

Originally Posted by Archaea

That impresses you? You're too easily impressed. Go look at a real economics department. Of course, they're mostly socialists, Keynsian economists and what not, but that's not much. I may be mistaken, but it seems I know Kearl, and he's not a bad guy if I remember correctly.

Except in Accounting and Engineering, BYU has plummeted in most departments. BYU law is in shambles, when it was once a proud school headed upwards. Our most recent Dean is a guy, who is probably a great human being, but with limited or no outside connections, as opposed to past Presidents.

Its students stay too frequently in Utah. It is too concerned with the appearnce of religiositiy rather than the actual devotion to spirituality and devotion to humanity.

BYU's research aim is pathetic, (what is it research in comparison to let's say, University of Texas at Austin?) it will never achieve Ivy League status and hires too frequently from within. Its staff ris limited in what it can publish and administration does nothing to promote its successful professors.

We need to stop hiring GAs as university presidents. They don't belong there!

Note to our Archaea: Most schools will never reach Ivy League status. In fact, all schools currently not Ivy League will never reach Ivy League status.

Note to Archaea: BYU is primarily an undergraduate teaching institution.

Your research comparisons are pathetic, since BYU is primarily an undergrad teaching school. Your ramblings about GAs and research is inane. It was his epiphany at MIT that made him decide to pull undergrads into research.

Ever since Bateman we've been heading up and up. We're still pumping out more PhD candidates than anyone else. All this "we're too religious" nonsense, bla bla ba, that's the point of a religious university, duh. The raters at US News don't care anyway.

[Archaea]

Originally Posted by Cali Coug

I honestly have no idea what impresses you, other than fitness. You have said multiple times that attending Harvard, Yale, Oxford, etc. are not impressive. You also don't think BYU is impressive. Exactly what is impressive? Can Chino's resume honestly only impress you if he wins a Nobel Prize in Economics (as you suggested)? If so, I am going to say you have unusually high standards for being impressed.

I am unusually grumpy right now, so it has nothing to do with Chino or his attitude. BYU is pissing me off with their provincial attitudes, but that's another matter.

Why doesn't BYU seek out and hire at Nobel Prize winners for some of its departments? Why is our research budget so f..ing limited?

[ChinoCoug]

Why don't you donate some of your rent-seeking income so we can have more research dollars?

[Archaea]

Originally Posted by ChinoCoug

Why don't you donate some of your rent-seeking income so we can have more research dollars?

my BYU education placed me so far behind my peers I am spending the rest of my life catching to them if I had gone elsewhere.

[Cali Coug]

Originally Posted by Archaea

I am unusually grumpy right now, so it has nothing to do with Chino or his attitude. BYU is pissing me off with their provincial attitudes, but that's another matter.

Why doesn't BYU seek out and hire at Nobel Prize winners for some of its departments? Why is our research budget so f..ing limited?

Fair enough, and I also wish they would expand more into research.

[BlueK]

Originally Posted by Cali Coug

I honestly have no idea what impresses you, other than fitness. You have said multiple times that attending Harvard, Yale, Oxford, etc. are not impressive. You also don't think BYU is impressive. Exactly what is impressive? Can Chino's resume honestly only impress you if he wins a Nobel Prize in Economics (as you suggested)? If so, I am going to say you have unusually high standards for being impressed.

It's rare that anything ever reaches his standard for excellence. At least that's what I've gathered from several years of reading his posts. I suppose that can be both good and bad in many ways, but it has to lead to a high grumpiness factor.

[ChinoCoug]

Originally Posted by BlueK

It's rare that anything ever reaches his standard for excellence. At least that's what I've gathered from several years of reading his posts. I suppose that can be both good and bad in many ways, but it has to lead to a high grumpiness factor.

Yeah, it's kinda strange. He is impressed with Bart Ehrman and superstars from disciplines with low average GRE scores.

[Archaea]

I love BYU, or what it could be.

It has a good body of intelligent students, whom if guided properly could be motivated to do great things. Instead we often encourage them toward mediocrity so that they can remain in Happy Valley living ordinary lives and failing to bless the lives of our world.

Since Bushman, I have been quite discouraged with the direction of BYU. The current law school seems to have lost its direction, as opposed to its leadership under Hawkins and Rex Lee.

It just seems they wish to remain a glorified church seminary, promoting us to seek money but almost nothing else. Interesting irony.

[Archaea]

BYU, never publish nor research, for fear of coming to a knowledge of the truth. That seems to be our motto.

[Archaea]

Not recent, but the first of what I found about Economic Department rankings.

http://www.econphd.net/rank/rallec.htm