Stake Conf. Topic: Sexaul Intimacy

[creekster]

Originally Posted by Tex

I'm not sure the exceptional proliferation of Mormon children supports your case.

Just because you can paint a house doesn't mean you are an artist.

[BarbaraGordon]

Originally Posted by Tex

I'm not sure the exceptional proliferation of Mormon children supports your case.

one can have five kids by only copulating five times in a 60 year marriage. That's hardly inspiring.

[Archaea]

Originally Posted by BarbaraGordon

one can have five kids by only copulating five times in a 60 year marriage. That's hardly inspiring.

Tex finds that inspiring, let him have his perspective.

[Tex]

Originally Posted by BarbaraGordon

one can have five kids by only copulating five times in a 60 year marriage. That's hardly inspiring.

What's inspiring is that you must resort the the absurd to make your point.

[Archaea]

Originally Posted by Tex

What's inspiring is that you must resort the the absurd to make your point.

you do have a sense of humor, unintentional perhaps.

[cougarobgon]

Originally Posted by Archaea

The message gets too muddled.

We send the message it is better to promote chastity rather to promote healthy sexuality within the confines of chastity. Often our message is chastity is the only goal and healthy sexuality be damned. It seems to me we often get the cart before the horse. We get the chastity message loud and clear. Don't do it. It's the second part which isn't transmitted.

This is where parents live up to their part of their responsibility of raising a child. My children know I love my wife and that kissing her, holding her hand, and closing and locking the bedroom door to take time for ourselves is part of a great relationship.

I interviewed many ym/yw during my mullah years and addressed issues that included masturbation, petting, fornication, teen pregnancy, etc...many parents don't take the time sit with their children and talk about these these issues. Although most teenagers know about sex, unfortunately, they obtain it from a distorted point of view from their peers, the school system, or the mainstream media.

How do you respond to a 15 y/o YW that asks, "Bishop I performed oral sex on him, how can that be bad, I am still a virgin?"

[Archaea]

Originally Posted by cougarobgon

This is where parents live up to their part of their responsibility of raising a child. My children know I love my wife and that kissing her, holding her hand, and closing and locking the bedroom door to take time for ourselves is part of a great relationship.

I interviewed many ym/yw during my mullah years and addressed issues that included masturbation, petting, fornication, teen pregnancy, etc...many parents don't take the time sit with their children and talk about these these issues. Although most teenagers know about sex, unfortunately, they obtain it from a distorted point of view from their peers, the school system, or the mainstream media.

How do you respond to a 15 y/o YW that asks, "Bishop I performed oral sex on him, how can that be bad, I am still a virgin?"

You have two hats, your ecclesiastical and your human hat.

As the ecclesiastical leader, you must state, our organization regards these matters as significant but that we all have human urges, which are better enjoyed within the confines of matrimony. It's a very good thing to feel this way, but not productive to pursue it in this manner. Something like that.

I don't think you come down with the hammer so that she will never come to you again and believe she's horrible and should never enjoy it.

[TripletDaddy]

Originally Posted by Archaea

Discord alert.

I find our cultural mores on these issues breed a contempt for sex. What is so shameful about the body that it needs to be confined in burkha like clothing? It's not the clothing but the attitude of the wearer and the percipient.

It is healthy to embrace one's sexuality fully, and to share it with an appropriate person. Anything else is cultural defined to encourage conformity with societal expectations.

I was with you until this one.

You went from credible sexologist to peep show specialist in one fell swoop.

[Tex]

Originally Posted by Archaea

The message gets too muddled.

We send the message it is better to promote chastity rather to promote healthy sexuality within the confines of chastity. Often our message is chastity is the only goal and healthy sexuality be damned. It seems to me we often get the cart before the horse. We get the chastity message loud and clear. Don't do it. It's the second part which isn't transmitted.

Clarify for me, Arch. Outside of marriage, how do you teach teenagers to be healthy sexually but still chaste?

Originally Posted by TripletDaddy

I was with you until this one.

You went from credible sexologist to peep show specialist in one fell swoop.

Heh.

[Archaea]

Originally Posted by TripletDaddy

I was with you until this one.

You went from credible sexologist to peep show specialist in one fell swoop.

I'm not recommending we have young girls as strippers but that we take away from the sensationalism of dress.

You can go to Polynesian cultures where we're not so uptight about our bodies, our skin and how much is exposed. That's my point. Do we want our young teenagers to look like skanks? No, but I imagine clever persons could come up with a reasonable middle ground.

Are you so ashamed of the human form that you believe it must be completely covered? Do you get turned on just because you see a little skin?

Do you want your young men to pop if they touch a girl, or should human sexuality be natural with good boundaries?

You're reading too much into my caricature and my words.

For example are you against bikinis?

Neither of my daughters have problems getting into BYU, live by those standards but do wear them when not on BYU campuses. I don't want them to be ashamed of their bodies. And yes to the best of my knowledge they both live the law of chastity.