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cougjunkie · 10-06-2008, 04:12 AM

Since Strength of schedule is so heavily weighted in the computer polls, dont you think it makes sense to weight your opponent's opponents? Should a team like BYU be penalized for beating UCLA who has a less than stellar record because they have to play USC, Arizona State, Oregon, Fresno State, Tennessee and so on? Also this does not penalize a teams SOS after they beat an opponent head to head.

http://www.realtimerpi.com/football/ncaaf_Men.html

Makes the most sense to me.

BlueHair · 10-06-2008, 04:15 AM

Computer polls are stupid. Playoffs are good, polls are stupid.

cougjunkie · 10-06-2008, 04:17 AM

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Originally Posted by BlueHair

Computer polls are stupid. Playoffs are good, polls are stupid.

Finally something we can agree on.

Jeff Lebowski · 10-06-2008, 04:18 AM

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Originally Posted by cougjunkie

Since Strength of schedule is so heavily weighted in the computer polls, dont you think it makes sense to weight your opponent's opponents? Should a team like BYU be penalized for beating UCLA who has a less than stellar record because they have to play USC, Arizona State, Oregon, Fresno State, Tennessee and so on? Also this does not penalize a teams SOS after they beat an opponent head to head.

http://www.realtimerpi.com/football/ncaaf_Men.html

Makes the most sense to me.

Any poll that has us ahead of Utah makes sense to me.

Whatever happened to the Vegas Oddsmakers Top 25? That is the poll that makes the most sense to me. I can't seem to find an up-to-date version.

BYUsportsguy · 10-06-2008, 02:27 PM

What's pissing me off about the polls is how Wisconsin can lose to unranked Michigan and only #11 Ohio State and stay at #24 yet TCU can lose ONLY to #1 Oklahoma and still be kept out of the rankings.

I'll give Auburn a little more credit since they've only lost to undefeated ranked teams.

jay santos · 10-06-2008, 02:35 PM

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Originally Posted by cougjunkie

Since Strength of schedule is so heavily weighted in the computer polls, dont you think it makes sense to weight your opponent's opponents? Should a team like BYU be penalized for beating UCLA who has a less than stellar record because they have to play USC, Arizona State, Oregon, Fresno State, Tennessee and so on? Also this does not penalize a teams SOS after they beat an opponent head to head.

http://www.realtimerpi.com/football/ncaaf_Men.html

Makes the most sense to me.

This is a common misunderstanding of computer polls. Computers don't take a simple SOS calculation like the BCS used to do. SOS takes into account opponents' opponents and their opponents and so on. The RPI calculation is actually a very simple, crude SOS calculation, only one step past the old BCS method.

Surfah · 10-06-2008, 02:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Jeff Lebowski

Any poll that has us ahead of Utah makes sense to me.

Whatever happened to the Vegas Oddsmakers Top 25? That is the poll that makes the most sense to me. I can't seem to find an up-to-date version.

Here's for last week:

http://blutarsky.wordpress.com/2008/...top-30-week-5/

cougjunkie · 10-06-2008, 04:23 PM

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Originally Posted by jay santos

This is a common misunderstanding of computer polls. Computers don't take a simple SOS calculation like the BCS used to do. SOS takes into account opponents' opponents and their opponents and so on. The RPI calculation is actually a very simple, crude SOS calculation, only one step past the old BCS method.

Well this has BYUs strength of schedule at 26 and your model has them at 120. So who is more accurate?

jay santos · 10-06-2008, 04:40 PM

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Originally Posted by cougjunkie

Well this has BYUs strength of schedule at 26 and your model has them at 120. So who is more accurate?

RPI has BYU's SOS at #26 and Florida Atlantic's at #56. Mine has them flip-flopped (as well as every other standard computer model).

schedules with rankings per RPI

BYU: home NIU (#100), away Washington (#138), home UCLA (#91), home Wyoming (#114), away USU (#128)

Florida Atlantic: away Texas (#4), home UAB (#161), away Michigan State (#25), away Minnesota (#46), away Middle Tennessee (#98)

BlueK · 10-06-2008, 05:16 PM

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Originally Posted by cougjunkie

Well this has BYUs strength of schedule at 26 and your model has them at 120. So who is more accurate?

accurate is a matter of opinion when it comes to these formulas. There is no objective truth about which is best.

10-06-2008, 04:12 AM	#1
cougjunkie Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Utah Posts: 5,741	Most accurate computer poll? Since Strength of schedule is so heavily weighted in the computer polls, dont you think it makes sense to weight your opponent's opponents? Should a team like BYU be penalized for beating UCLA who has a less than stellar record because they have to play USC, Arizona State, Oregon, Fresno State, Tennessee and so on? Also this does not penalize a teams SOS after they beat an opponent head to head. http://www.realtimerpi.com/football/ncaaf_Men.html Makes the most sense to me. __________________ LINCECUM!

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BlueHair Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Utah Posts: 1,148	Computer polls are stupid. Playoffs are good, polls are stupid.

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BYUsportsguy Junior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Utah County Posts: 131	What's pissing me off about the polls is how Wisconsin can lose to unranked Michigan and only #11 Ohio State and stay at #24 yet TCU can lose ONLY to #1 Oklahoma and still be kept out of the rankings. I'll give Auburn a little more credit since they've only lost to undefeated ranked teams. __________________ BYU Cougar Football News LDS Dating Sites Review