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BYU71 · 08-07-2008, 03:53 PM

I think an orthodox mormon would consider not smoking and drinking as a Christian Value.

Personally, I think the WOW was a counsel that became commandment.

I don't know why we haven't seen it, but counsel over the last 50 years seems not to have become commandment, but remained counsel.

Has a commandment been added since the WOW. For you historians, when exactly was it added as a commandment. Late 1800's or early 1900's.

scottie · 08-07-2008, 03:54 PM

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Originally Posted by scottie

"What do you think is a higher priority to or emphasized more by the orthodox member of the LDS Church?" is how I should have phrased it.

But as of the time of this post, "Adhering to the Word of Wisdom" is winning 4 to 3.

Goatnapper'96 · 08-07-2008, 03:56 PM

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Originally Posted by BYU71

I think an orthodox mormon would consider not smoking and drinking as a Christian Value.

Personally, I think the WOW was a counsel that became commandment.

I don't know why we haven't seen it, but counsel over the last 50 years seems not to have become commandment, but remained counsel.

Has a commandment been added since the WOW. For you historians, when exactly was it added as a commandment. Late 1800's or early 1900's.

At a General Conference in the 1850's, or maybee 1860's. However, enforcement as a metric of temple worthiness didn't appear until into the 1900s I believe. It took some time for some rather influential decision makers who struggled living it to move on to the happy hunting grounds.

scottie · 08-07-2008, 04:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Goatnapper'96

Scottie, I like you but your poll is kind of dumb. I don't know any mormon who believes that living the WOW is more important than Christian love and honesty....

Who's voting (besides me) for the WOW choice?

Goatnapper'96 · 08-07-2008, 04:20 PM

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Originally Posted by scottie

Who's voting (besides me) for the WOW choice?

Sherem and Nehor!

Indy Coug · 08-07-2008, 04:25 PM

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Originally Posted by scottie

Who's voting (besides me) for the WOW choice?

Do you honestly think that the response to this poll has been 100% truthful?

scottie · 08-07-2008, 04:40 PM

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Do you honestly think that the response to this poll has been 100% truthful?

As of this post, the response is 70% WOW, which is about what I expected and perceive.

Jeff Lebowski · 08-07-2008, 04:56 PM

Which is more likely to keep you out of the temple? Drinking coffee or being an a-hole to your neighbors? Enjoying a glass of wine or cheating on your income taxes?

The elevated importance we give to the WoW in today's church/culture is absurd.

fusnik11 · 08-07-2008, 04:59 PM

Do you all know that for church dances the youth in certain stakes are required to have a recommend to attend? When church leadership requires that for certain youth social functions a recommend is required questions like scottie's become relevant.

A real life example:

When I went to the UNLV vs BYU three years ago I sat close to a bunch of coeds. We were sitting in a section where we surrounded by UNLV fans where some were enjoying adult beverages. Throughout the course of the game I counted no less than 15 references to the evils of alcohol consumption; family abandonment, poverty, spousal and child abuse.

If you asked this group of coeds what was more important, one rule or a value system, every one to a person would say that a value system was more important. Unfortunately for them and most in the church they were unable to see the forest through the trees.

Tex · 08-07-2008, 05:04 PM

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Originally Posted by scottie

As of this post, the response is 70% WOW, which is about what I expected and perceive.

Keep your sample in mind, when making that assessment.

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Originally Posted by Jeff Lebowski

Which is more likely to keep you out of the temple? Drinking coffee or being an a-hole to your neighbors? Enjoying a glass of wine or cheating on your income taxes?

The elevated importance we give to the WoW in today's church/culture is absurd.

Come on, Leb, we've been over this before. It's a function of how measurable it is. It's a lot easier to measure abstinence from alcohol than "am I honest in my dealings with my fellow man."

Plus, is it really all that elevated in importance? How many talks/lessons a year do we have on WoW? Compare that to talks on mercy, patience, honesty, etc.

View Poll Results: What do you think is more important to the orthodox member of the LDS Church?
Adhering to the Word of Wisdom	19	63.33%
Living by Christian values	11	36.67%
Voters: 30. You may not vote on this poll

08-07-2008, 04:56 PM	#18
Jeff Lebowski Charon Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: In the heart of darkness (Provo) Posts: 9,564	Which is more likely to keep you out of the temple? Drinking coffee or being an a-hole to your neighbors? Enjoying a glass of wine or cheating on your income taxes? The elevated importance we give to the WoW in today's church/culture is absurd. __________________ "... the arc of the universe is long but it bends toward justice." Martin Luther King, Jr.

08-07-2008, 03:53 PM	#11
BYU71 Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 5,084	I think an orthodox mormon would consider not smoking and drinking as a Christian Value. Personally, I think the WOW was a counsel that became commandment. I don't know why we haven't seen it, but counsel over the last 50 years seems not to have become commandment, but remained counsel. Has a commandment been added since the WOW. For you historians, when exactly was it added as a commandment. Late 1800's or early 1900's.

08-07-2008, 04:59 PM	#19
fusnik11 Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 2,506	Do you all know that for church dances the youth in certain stakes are required to have a recommend to attend? When church leadership requires that for certain youth social functions a recommend is required questions like scottie's become relevant. A real life example: When I went to the UNLV vs BYU three years ago I sat close to a bunch of coeds. We were sitting in a section where we surrounded by UNLV fans where some were enjoying adult beverages. Throughout the course of the game I counted no less than 15 references to the evils of alcohol consumption; family abandonment, poverty, spousal and child abuse. If you asked this group of coeds what was more important, one rule or a value system, every one to a person would say that a value system was more important. Unfortunately for them and most in the church they were unable to see the forest through the trees.