If you had a son who enlisted in the marines

[myboynoah]

Originally Posted by hyrum

Oil. We're addicted to it.
If Iraq now becomes unstable it could lead to problems with Iran, takeover of Kuwait again, etc.

Yeah, it's oil. We could have a cut a great deal with Saddam for all the oil we wanted. It's not just about oil.

[tooblue]

Originally Posted by SeattleUte

The poll is bullshit. It presumes that the life of a soldier dying in Iraq was wasted but one dying in France or the Philipines was not. I'd be equally proud of sons dying in either context, and revere them, and be equally proud of them for going to fight. America is worth dying for anyplace anytime. Stick your poll, waters, it's offensive. Go vote Obama, you're kindred souls.

Well said.

[MikeWaters]

Is Canada worth dying for anyplace anytime?

What about Mexico?

What about Russia?

We could go on. The idea that any kind of America, in any kind of war, is worth dying for, is absolute Hitler-esque fatherland bullshit.

[Tex]

Originally Posted by MikeWaters

Some things are worth dying for. Some things are not.

True. And there are days I wonder if your right to constantly bitch is one of them.

[Venkman]

I support the war to the extent we need to clean up the mess we made. However, I don't believe it has much to do with our nation's security at this point, so my support is tepid. As such I wouldn't enlist and therefore would discourage my son from enlisting.

[jay santos]

Originally Posted by MikeWaters

Is Canada worth dying for anyplace anytime?

What about Mexico?

What about Russia?

We could go on. The idea that any kind of America, in any kind of war, is worth dying for, is absolute Hitler-esque fatherland bullshit.

Agree.

The pro-war fake patriotism stuff is really manipulative.

[tooblue]

Originally Posted by MikeWaters

Is Canada worth dying for anyplace anytime?

What about Mexico?

What about Russia?

We could go on. The idea that any kind of America, in any kind of war, is worth dying for, is absolute Hitler-esque fatherland bullshit.

What is worth dying for? Principles? Nothing?

[woot]

Originally Posted by tooblue

What is worth dying for? Principles? Nothing?

The pro-torture crowd talking about principles warms the cockles of my heart.

[tooblue]

Originally Posted by woot

The pro-torture crowd talking about principles warms the cockles of my heart.

I'm actually not pro torture. In fact I have NEVER offered an opinion -do a search ... now you look like an even bigger bitter, angry fool.

[DJRoss]

Originally Posted by MikeWaters

and let's say you had a prophetic vision, that if stayed enlisted, he would die in Iraq.

Given he just signed up, he has two months to change his mind.

Do you consider the cause in Iraq to be worth having your son die for?

Guard. I have served and so has my father (served 3 tours of duty in Nam). So the answer to the question is serving your country whether you die or not is always worth it. Until they change the Articles of Faith, and until the priesthood has been wiped off the face of the earth or Christ comes again the issue is not about dying. It is about honoring the commitment you made when you entered active duty. Dying is always a risk war or no war, and dying fighting in Iraq is at least better than dying in a car accident. Why? Because there was a purpose behind your death.