01-04-2008, 03:12 PM | #61 | |
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I don't necessarily think the BCS is UNFAIR to non-BCS schools in the context of bowl history where Rose, Sugar, Orange bowls had BCS school tie-ins and NEVER invited non-BCS schools. In fact, many times they extended their invites before the season was over just to get the jump on a team like a 7-3 Notre Dame team. I see the BCS as an improvement on that old system. But I also believe it's good for all of college football to see some non-BCS schools in there on occasion. Even one a year would seem fair, so long as they were at least top 25. Hawaii makes a reasonable argument that they had some contracts with BCS schools cancel on them, thus the weaker than normal SOS. They went undefeated. Reasonably unbiased voters voted them top 10. Computers had them around #18. That is definitely plenty good enough for me as a non-BCS to think they have earned their spot at the table. The BCS itself has said the non-BCS-title-game BCS bowls' priority is revenue and interest first and fairness second. So especially with that priority, I think it's totally acceptable Hawaii was in. You might see a year where BYU is #5 and Hawaii is #8 in the BCS standings and Hawaii would be left out in the cold for a lower ranked BCS team as an at-large. So it can cut both ways. |
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No. There have been far, far, far, bigger travesties in the glorious history of the BCS than Hawaii getting in. Nebraska 2001 for starters. |
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01-04-2008, 03:23 PM | #63 | |
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But if we're looking at the parameters - Hawaii gets in if they're one of the 12 best teams in the land - I assume you have to agree they weren't. I think this is where the fork in the road occurs - you and Indy say so what it's time the little boys get some, and I say they should have to meet the criteria that's set up, and they shouldn't have met it (which you agree with if you feel they're about #20 in the country). I just hope if and when BYU gets a seat at the table we earn our way in. (and we don't get bitchslapped by the guy next to us).
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None of us are saying we personally believed they were top 12. But the voters did. Take it up with them. |
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Assuming you agree with Santos' opinion, I can deal with your desire to make things more equitable for the little guys. Not saying I agree completely, but at least that helps me see you're not a complete loon.
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Which is why I'm confused. Which is why I keep going on and on and on about this even though I really don't want to. I'm just too baffled to let it go. I've got to know what you're holding on to.
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Let's be clear about this one more time: I'm more concerned about the legitimacy of a "yeah, but who have they played?" argument rather than a "how did they do, given who they played?" argument.
I don't care if the 2007 New England Patriots went 16-0 against all 1-AA opponents instead of other NFL teams, IF they pummeled those 1-AA teams into oblivion. So when you and your ilk keep the hysterical "schedule schedule schedule schedule" mantra going, I'm going to take issue with that because a poor schedule in and of itself proves nothing. If you had started this whole rigamarole a couple of months ago with a "they haven't played well enough against such a bad schedule" tact instead, I probably wouldn't have argued with you very much. Bad schedule aside, it's almost statistically impossible to go 12-0 against even a horrible schedule unless you're one of the top teams in the country, even if you're haggling about where specifically they fall inside a narrow 7 to 10 percentile range of the 1-A universe. |
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Again, if it's about fairness, let's end this conversation, because I can live with that. It's your implication that they 'earned' it that gets me riled up - they simply didn't.
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My persistence on this debate is much more about what's driving you than what should happen/did happen to Hawaii. They already made a BCS game and got their asses handed to them on a platter. I just want to know why your internal computer model is inconsistent with your treatment of Hawaii.
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