Wow

[YOhio]

Originally Posted by MikeWaters

A school-teacher, experience tells us, is not likley to be called as a Bishop. For reasons that are unclear to me.

My mission president was a high school art teacher from California.

[MikeWaters]

Originally Posted by Archaea

You might be a good counselor then, or be taught to be a good bishop. Not all bishops are good at it when they start. Most grow into the job.

How many persons has a school teacher ever managed? Now a principal might be a good bishop but an average school teacher would not be.

My point is that I'd be a better bishop than a counselor.

Because a counselor actually gets out there, attends with the auxiliaries, sits down with their presidencies, calls people, follows up on callings etc.

The counselors are where the rubber hits the road.

The Bishops' main "weight" comes from having to deal with the spiritual problems and temporal problems of the members, dealth with on a personal basis.

[MikeWaters]

Originally Posted by MikeWaters

The Bishops' main "weight" comes from having to deal with the spiritual problems and temporal problems of the members, dealth with on a personal basis.

Not that I'd be good at this.

[Archaea]

Originally Posted by BYU71

Why would you have to be a good manager to be a Bishop? Everything is organized and you follow strict guidelines, even down to how you should dress. To be a good Bishop you need to live the commandments and do what the Stake President tells you to do.

A little more than that don't you think?

You have to be perceived as one towing the line, responsible, usually well liked within the ward, be generally good with people, be perceived as having a good family, have some ability at counseling people.

[Archaea]

Originally Posted by MikeWaters

Not that I'd be good at this.

If you stay in your ward, you might be one of the few options. Get thee to a rich ward, and you can evade observation. In our ward, we have more high priests than elders, and more former bishops, high councilmen and stake leaders than I can count.

[MikeWaters]

Originally Posted by Archaea

If you stay in your ward, you might be one of the few options. Get thee to a rich ward, and you can evade observation. In our ward, we have more high priests than elders, and more former bishops, high councilmen and stake leaders than I can count.

I'm acutely aware of this.

But at the same time, I feel that people that are always trying to duck responsibility aren't doing themselves or their families any favors.

We've had people leave our ward to duck callings, and I don't look upon them highly.

[BYU71]

Originally Posted by Archaea

A little more than that don't you think?

You have to be perceived as one towing the line, responsible, usually well liked within the ward, be generally good with people, be perceived as having a good family, have some ability at counseling people.

I guess it gets down to the meaning of "good". I start with the premise that every Bishop is a "good" Bishop. Sure there are some that go astray, but to be a Bishop I think the qualificationsneeded is that you are "good".

Are some Bishops better than others. I guess since we are dealing with humans, that would have to be the case. That is where those things you mentioned would come into play.

[Archaea]

Originally Posted by MikeWaters

I'm acutely aware of this.

But at the same time, I feel that people that are always trying to duck responsibility aren't doing themselves or their families any favors.

We've had people leave our ward to duck callings, and I don't look upon them highly.

Well don't complain if and when you're called as bishop.

I've never moved to duck a calling, but have chosen to live in nice surroundings, i.e., a good neighborhood with great schools. We've always selected our neighborhoods with education in mind. That usually translates into a nicer ward. We've lived in two resident wards, since law school, more than twenty years ago. As luck would have it, these wards are loaded with leaders and I haven't had to duck callings which are better bestowed upon others.

Do you stay in a crappy school district to appease your moral sensibilities or do you do what's best for your children?

As for us, we did what was best for the children.

[MikeWaters]

Originally Posted by Archaea

Well don't complain if and when you're called as bishop.

I've never moved to duck a calling, but have chosen to live in nice surroundings, i.e., a good neighborhood with great schools. We've always selected our neighborhoods with education in mind. That usually translates into a nicer ward. We've lived in two resident wards, since law school, more than twenty years ago. As luck would have it, these wards are loaded with leaders and I haven't had to duck callings which are better bestowed upon others.

Do you stay in a crappy school district to appease your moral sensibilities or do you do what's best for your children?

As for us, we did what was best for the children.

we may move in the next year to get out of our school district. however it is possible to move school districts and still be in our ward. live just north of White Rock Lake, where I cycle.