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Forum: Religion 02-02-2006, 11:33 PM
Replies: 13
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Posted By Iluvatar
Iluvatar's top 10...

Alright, I'll bite. Let's discuss the book of Abraham a little further, eh?

Let me preface this by stating for the record that I'm not a troll. I'm not trying to stir anbody up. I'm not...
Forum: Religion 02-02-2006, 09:45 PM
Replies: 13
Views: 2,038
Posted By Iluvatar
Iluvatar's top 10!?

So, am I supposed to post 10...somethings?
Forum: Religion 01-31-2006, 09:40 PM
Replies: 7
Views: 1,228
Posted By Iluvatar
Spare you what?

Fusnik

I never claimed that anything I had to say was "new, shocking, or previously never read by a large group of posters". I was simply trying to say that discussing these things (Book of...
Forum: Religion 01-31-2006, 07:41 PM
Replies: 13
Views: 2,038
Posted By Iluvatar
I don't know...

Maybe I'm feeling rebuked by the lord. Maybe it's just good old fashioned guilt for messing with people's beliefs. I don't know. Maybe I'll start a new thread addressing Fusnik's questions. What...
Forum: Religion 01-31-2006, 07:24 PM
Replies: 92
Views: 7,286
Posted By Iluvatar
Hmmm...

8ball,

I DO find that to be the case with most (really all) religions. And I guess that's where I might be completely errant. I look for tangible evidence to justify my faith, while perhaps...
Forum: Religion 01-31-2006, 06:22 PM
Replies: 92
Views: 7,286
Posted By Iluvatar
I'm still on the inside...

and I'm not looking for justification to leave. I was born a mormon, and I'm quite certain I'll die a mormon (being born mormon is almost like being born white, or black...you are what you are). ...
Forum: Religion 01-31-2006, 04:57 PM
Replies: 92
Views: 7,286
Posted By Iluvatar
I'm with Robin...

I concur 100% with Robin. All my troubles started with discussions, very inocuous discussions, about geneology (of all things). I'm not saying that you can't study/discuss these things and remain...
Forum: Religion 01-30-2006, 09:41 PM
Replies: 1
Views: 1,050
Posted By Iluvatar
Archea...

That's not why I posted this. I haven't concluded that it was a fabrication. There is some very interesting circumstantial and anecdotal evidence supporting the content (if not the translation) of...
Forum: Religion 01-30-2006, 09:39 PM
Replies: 1
Views: 1,081
Posted By Iluvatar
Crap!

I did it again! I should stop trying to work and post at the same time!

The above post was for Archea, concerning the Book of Abraham.

Sorry again.
Forum: Religion 01-30-2006, 09:37 PM
Replies: 1
Views: 1,081
Posted By Iluvatar
Honestly...

That's not why I posted this. I haven't concluded that it was a fabrication. There is some very interesting circumstantial and anecdotal evidence supporting the content (if not the translation) of...
Forum: Religion 01-30-2006, 09:18 PM
Replies: 12
Views: 1,831
Posted By Iluvatar
It's fairly conclusive...

that JS used (at least in part) the recovered portions of the papyrii in his translation. This is how we know.

The fragment of papyri used to construct facsimile #1 WAS found. (for an image of...
Forum: Religion 01-30-2006, 08:20 PM
Replies: 12
Views: 1,831
Posted By Iluvatar
The "Abraham" papyri...

are the source of alot of controversy. The Book of Abraham was allegedly translated from scrolls of papyri that were purchased from a travelling antiquities dealer by the church. Joseph claimed...
Forum: Religion 01-30-2006, 07:19 PM
Replies: 12
Views: 1,831
Posted By Iluvatar
Are you referring to the...

Abraham papyri? The facsimilies in the POGP?
Forum: Religion 01-30-2006, 06:43 PM
Replies: 2
Views: 1,385
Posted By Iluvatar
Dang it!

I didn't mean to start a new thread. I meant to post a response in another thread.

Man, I didn't even spell papyri right. How humiliating!

Sorry guys.
Forum: Religion 01-30-2006, 06:38 PM
Replies: 2
Views: 1,385
Posted By Iluvatar
Are you refering to the Abraham Papayri?

If so, I would would be happy to eloborate on the reasons we don't discuss them.
Forum: Religion 01-28-2006, 11:24 PM
Replies: 92
Views: 7,286
Posted By Iluvatar
Brilliant!

Brilliant!
Forum: Religion 01-28-2006, 11:06 PM
Replies: 92
Views: 7,286
Posted By Iluvatar
Re: There seems to be a concern about ...

[quote="Dan"]... lying by Joseph and the early brethren before all the facts came out. But surely we can all see how the church was in a precarious position at that time and full disclosure may not...
Forum: Religion 01-28-2006, 08:52 PM
Replies: 20
Views: 2,437
Posted By Iluvatar
I doubt it's "an indictment of the level of...

I doubt it's "an indictment of the level of spitituality in the Church." The brethren have gone to great lengths in recent years to make the church appear more mainstream. To the degree that...
Forum: Football 01-27-2006, 04:09 PM
Replies: 11
Views: 1,389
Posted By Iluvatar
I know...

I saw that. I'm too lazy to edit, though. Besides, it didn't look like anyone was still visiting this thread.

In any event, it's big news.
Forum: Football 01-26-2006, 09:31 PM
Replies: 11
Views: 1,389
Posted By Iluvatar
Manasi Tonga commits...

and nobody on this board is talking about it?

Really, I don't know what more we can expect. Bronco brings in two three star JC corners, and a couple very heavily sought after DL's. If he can...
Forum: Football 01-25-2006, 07:14 PM
Replies: 11
Views: 1,389
Posted By Iluvatar
This was posted on cougarboard...

This recruiting class is better than some may think. It's easy to get down after having missed on guys like Fua and Havili, but, let's look at what we've got.

James Lark--a 4* elite 11 type guy...
Forum: Religion 01-02-2006, 10:42 PM
Replies: 59
Views: 4,859
Posted By Iluvatar
Again, TooBlue, I challenge you to tell me...

Again, TooBlue, I challenge you to tell me wherein I have told half truths. I wasn't just siting Compton in our discussion about Polyandry/polygamy. JS's marriages to already married women are a...
Forum: Religion 01-02-2006, 08:35 PM
Replies: 59
Views: 4,859
Posted By Iluvatar
Yeah, yeah, you've said that already TooBlue...

The great thing about life is that you can believe whatever you choose. I don't care wether you believe a single ruddy thing I say. Your certainly entitled to your opinion.

My contention that...
Forum: Religion 01-02-2006, 07:51 AM
Replies: 59
Views: 4,859
Posted By Iluvatar
All-American Wrote: "There's nothing wrong...

All-American Wrote:

"There's nothing wrong with the Lamanites not being the "primary" ancestors of the American Indians, if by "primary" you mean that over 50% of their ancestry is of Lehite...
Forum: Religion 01-02-2006, 07:39 AM
Replies: 59
Views: 4,859
Posted By Iluvatar
Re: To say that we know so incomprehensibly little...

Is it possible to believe in the Church without believing many of the claims made by the Church? I think it is. Personally, I don't believe that the BoM is authentic, nor do I believe that Joseph...
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