10-23-2008, 08:08 PM | #31 |
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Having lived in Canada for over 14 years I can honestly say that there is very little difference between the two countries. Yes, I pay more taxes in certain regards yet there is zero evidence to support the hyperbolic statement “it suffocates the incentive to excel.”
All that being said, IMO, Americans are not prepared for the expanded socialist policies that Obama will introduce as President and I fear the repercussions. |
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If you want to look at history and failed experiments, fine, let's do so.....recently, Hillary tried to roll out Universal Health Care. It crashed, burned, and failed miserably. Yet you lament the impending socialization of our healthcare....why? Makes no sense. If you go back to earlier this year when the election talk on here started to heat up, I was the only person who suggested that truthfully, not much of anything will change....we will see. Let's revisit this in one year and see if we are a socialized country with free healthcare for everyone. My guess is that nothing will have changed, we will hopefully be coming out of the economic slump, and we will still be in Iraq. You could be right, though. We could be Europe by next year, which would be nice because it is too expensive to visit over there right now.
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Advances in medicine, technology, art, science......those things come largely from capitalist countries, I guess.
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But don't listen to me, tainted source that I am. http://www.fee.org/publications/the-...e.asp?aid=4014
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Would you like me to trot out example after example of successful immigrants to Canada I personally know, work with, attend church with? How about the family or individual from .. China Korea Philippines Sri Lanka Albania Hungary Congo Ivory Cost Dominica Jamaica Barbados St. Vincent South Africa Iran Afghanistan Pakistan |
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Indeed, for this reason it's hard to look at any one nation (in the western world at least) and classify it so simplistically. Instead we have to look at socialist experiments within sectors of free nations, and to large degree they are substandard. I blame this, as do many cheery capitalists, on the death of incentive.
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Nobody's arguing it will happen overnight, you're mischaracterizing the arguments in order to prevail. And you dismiss the concerns out of hand. That doesn't mean there aren't risks. And here's the great Lie, nothing is ever free for everyone.
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If anything, you are the one arguing it will happen overnight. You have taken the position that all these things will happen within the next 4 years...during Obama's presidency.
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We will spend all day arguing in circles. Therefore, all that is left for us to do is classify the issue 'so simplistically' in an attempt to see the bigger picture. |
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It will be a process which once set in motion will be nigh impossible to reverse. Examine the British experience in health care and you'll know what I mean. I trust no argument which starts, "well he won't be able to achieve that because Hillary couldn't..." That's a true red herring, and you know it. Figures, you lived in Bolivia. You underestimate the risks and overvalue the benefits.
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