So, what's the church going to do

[BarbaraGordon]

Originally Posted by marsupial

It's going to be a long time before Mississippi has this on the ballot. You can be sure of that.

you don't think Mississippi would propose sanctity-of-marriage legislation?

[Tex]

Originally Posted by SoCalCoug

Hasn't happened <> won't happen

No, but it doesn't mean it will either. And though California is its own alien planet, the fact that it hasn't happen anywhere else is instructive.

We see this on occasion ... loser candidates or loser issues being put right back on the ballot at the next opportunity. They tend to lose again, and often by wider margins.

I suppose we'll have to cross the 2010 bridge when we come to it.

[marsupial]

Originally Posted by BarbaraGordon

you don't think Mississippi would propose sanctity-of-marriage legislation?

Oh yeah, I guess you're right. But I don't see any judges in Jackson granting any same-sex marriage licenses any time soon. Any sanctity of marriage legislation will be in response to what is going on elsewhere in the nation.

[BarbaraGordon]

Originally Posted by marsupial

Oh yeah, I guess you're right. But I don't see any judges in Jackson granting any same-sex marriage licenses any time soon. Any sanctity of marriage legislation will be in response to what is going on elsewhere in the nation.

right. That's how it is here. Pre-emptive action...just to be safe. Never can be too careful with those gays and their agenda.

[Jeff Lebowski]

Originally Posted by marsupial

It's going to be a long time before Mississippi has this on the ballot. You can be sure of that.

I really enjoyed watching the political ads on TV last week when I was in Mississippi. It's amazing to see a place more socially conservative than Utah.

[SoCalCoug]

Originally Posted by Tex

No, but it doesn't mean it will either. And though California is its own alien planet, the fact that it hasn't happen anywhere else is instructive.

We see this on occasion ... loser candidates or loser issues being put right back on the ballot at the next opportunity. They tend to lose again, and often by wider margins.

I suppose we'll have to cross the 2010 bridge when we come to it.

I'm going to say this really slowly . . . the loser position here (gay marriage) lost by a significantly lower margin in 2008 than in 2000. That bucks the tendency you seem to believe is going to hold.

You apparently don't want to deal with reality, and that's fine. But the margin here is getting narrower with time, not wider. I don't think there's any room for it to narrow further.

Of course we have to cross the 2010 bridge when we come to it. Is the church going to put forth the same effort opposing the 2010 proposition as they did this year? I don't think the members can afford to, either time-wise or financially.

[Jeff Lebowski]

You are right on, SoCalCoug. There is no way the outcome is the same the next time around.

As I ponder what has happened in this whole prop 8 episode, it seems to me that we set out to define society, and in the end we only defined ourselves.

[Tex]

Just for reference, here are the ballot initiatives regarding same-sex marriage, and their results. All passed except AZ in 2006.

1998
AK: 68%
HI: 69%*
* Hawaii did not explicitly ban same-sex marriage, but permitted the legislature to, which they then did.

2000
CA: 61%
NE: 70%

2002
NV: 67%

2004
AK: 75%
GA: 76%
KY: 75%
MI: 59%
MT: 67%
ND: 73%
OH: 62%
OK: 76%
OR: 57%
UT: 66%

August '04 special election:
MO: 71%

2005
TX: 76%

2006
AZ: No, 51%
CO: 56%
ID: 63%
SC: 78%
TN: 81%
VA: 57%
WI: 59%

2008:
AZ (again): 57%
CA (again): 52%
FL: 62%

[Tex]

Originally Posted by SoCalCoug

I'm going to say this really slowly . . . the loser position here (gay marriage) lost by a significantly lower margin in 2008 than in 2000. That bucks the tendency you seem to believe is going to hold.

You apparently don't want to deal with reality, and that's fine. But the margin here is getting narrower with time, not wider. I don't think there's any room for it to narrow further.

It got narrower from 2000 to 2008, yes. That doesn't mean it inevitably gets smaller, or reverses. I don't think it's as dire as you say, and what you say is certainly not "reality."

You folks talk like it's inevitable, which is as much a fantasy as anything I'm saying.

Originally Posted by Jeff Lebowski

You are right on, SoCalCoug. There is no way the outcome is the same the next time around.

As I ponder what has happened in this whole prop 8 episode, it seems to me that we set out to define society, and in the end we only defined ourselves.

Oh, that's deep.

[bigpiney]

and this will be me:




Prop 8 or what ever it will be called will most likely lose next time around.