Anyone see the church broadcast on Prop 8 last night? - cougarguard.com — unofficial BYU Cougars / LDS sports, football, basketball forum and message board

Flystripper · 10-09-2008, 06:35 PM

I am curious who spoke and what they said. I don't think it would change my mind on the matter but I am curious nonetheless.

TripletDaddy · 10-09-2008, 06:45 PM

I heard it was not exactly a super secret broadcast. It was a few of our GAs speaking in conjunction with other coalition leaders.

Doesn't make it any less relevant, but it had been billed to us as a broadcast from SLC.

I wonder if creekster saw it? Or Steel?

I was at work, so unable to break away.

Tex · 10-09-2008, 06:58 PM

Apparently a new CBS poll shows Prop 8 up now, 47 to 42. I've heard that another poll shows similar results.

creekster · 10-09-2008, 07:04 PM

I saw it. It was announced to our ward and all were invited to attend. No time for a report now, but it was not very controversial and was more about outlining the efforts to be made for the next four weeks than naything substantive regarding doctrine or policy. If no one else does, I iwll report more later.

MikeWaters · 10-09-2008, 07:16 PM

So the church is behind this:

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Steve Smith, campaign manager for No on 8, said he wanted to be able to "match [opponents] dollar for dollar. If we don't get there, voters won't hear our messages."

Smith also said his forces are being outspent in part because of a surge in contributions from Mormon Church members.

"I don't think we have ever seen a single religion in the state . . . so significantly participate in one political campaign," Smith said.

Officials with the Mormon Church did not respond to e-mails seeking comment.

Meanwhile, gay and lesbian Mormons are criticizing members of their faith who support Proposition 8, pointing out that Mormons were once persecuted for defining marriage outside the traditional view of one woman and one man.

"The Mormon Church teaches that we should be building families," said David Melson, assistant executive director of Affirmation, a group of gay and lesbian Mormons. "Through measures like Proposition 8, they are working to tear families apart."

It is unclear how far ahead backers of Proposition 8 are in terms of fund-raising. The campaign tried to file its latest finance report Monday, the deadline for making the disclosure. But Kate Folmar, spokeswoman for Secretary of State Debra Bowen, said the report was so voluminous that the state's computer could not handle it. Technicians were working on the problem Tuesday, Folmar said.

Also this week, both campaigns ramped up their outreach to Latinos.

The Yes on 8 side began airing a commercial on dozens of Spanish television stations that warned that children would be taught about gay marriage if the proposition was not approved. The spot features a little girl whose class reads a fairy tale about a prince who can't find a princess to marry -- so instead he marries a prince. Campaign officials said the ad would begin airing in English soon too.

http://www.latimes.com/news/local/po...,1678837.story

This is the LDS church in 2008. Putting money into this campaign to get ads like that on the air.

ERCougar · 10-09-2008, 07:19 PM

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Originally Posted by MikeWaters

So the church is behind this:

http://www.latimes.com/news/local/po...,1678837.story

This is the LDS church in 2008. Putting money into this campaign to get ads like that on the air.

This is my MIL's number 1 fear about legalizing gay marriage--the reading of "gay" stories in school. I'm not kidding. I think this strikes a chord with a lot of people.

il Padrino Ute · 10-09-2008, 07:21 PM

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Originally Posted by MikeWaters

So the church is behind this:

http://www.latimes.com/news/local/po...,1678837.story

This is the LDS church in 2008. Putting money into this campaign to get ads like that on the air.

Is the LDS Church putting money into this campaign or is it individual members of the LDS Church?

MikeWaters · 10-09-2008, 07:22 PM

It's one thing to be against gay marriage.

But I think the church's public stand on the issue, as expressed intellectually, is bankrupt.

No doubt this is what Pelagius got upset about and led him to calling me dishonest.

The church has displayed less thought than even the CATHOLIC church. The true church on earth again plays little brother to the Catholic church.

Slightly disappointing.

BlueHair · 10-09-2008, 07:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Tex

Apparently a new CBS poll shows Prop 8 up now, 47 to 42. I've heard that another poll shows similar results.

This surprises me. I always thought most Californians were forward thinking. It proves this country is still decades away from equality for all its citizens. I thought ultra conservative views were on the decline.

MikeWaters · 10-09-2008, 07:23 PM

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Originally Posted by il Padrino Ute

Is the LDS Church putting money into this campaign or is it individual members of the LDS Church?

Is the church using its facilities for this effort? YES.

Do facilities cost money? YES.

Is the church strong-arming prominent members? YES.

Is the church using its claimed imprimatur with God to get people in line? YES.

10-09-2008, 06:35 PM	#1
Flystripper Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Valencia CA Posts: 1,384	Anyone see the church broadcast on Prop 8 last night? I am curious who spoke and what they said. I don't think it would change my mind on the matter but I am curious nonetheless.

10-09-2008, 06:45 PM	#2
TripletDaddy Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Orange County, CA Posts: 9,483	I heard it was not exactly a super secret broadcast. It was a few of our GAs speaking in conjunction with other coalition leaders. Doesn't make it any less relevant, but it had been billed to us as a broadcast from SLC. I wonder if creekster saw it? Or Steel? I was at work, so unable to break away. __________________ Fitter. Happier. More Productive. "Everyone is against me. Everyone is fawning for 3D's attention and defending him." -- SeattleUte

10-09-2008, 06:58 PM	#3
Tex Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 8,596	Apparently a new CBS poll shows Prop 8 up now, 47 to 42. I've heard that another poll shows similar results. __________________ "Have we been commanded not to call a prophet an insular racist? Link?" "And yes, [2010] is a very good year to be a Democrat. Perhaps the best year in decades ..." - Cali Coug "Oh dear, granny, what a long tail our puss has got." - Brigham Young

10-09-2008, 07:04 PM	#4
creekster Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: the far corner of my mind Posts: 8,711	I saw it. It was announced to our ward and all were invited to attend. No time for a report now, but it was not very controversial and was more about outlining the efforts to be made for the next four weeks than naything substantive regarding doctrine or policy. If no one else does, I iwll report more later. __________________ Sorry for th e tpyos.

10-09-2008, 07:22 PM	#8
MikeWaters Demiurge Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 36,365	It's one thing to be against gay marriage. But I think the church's public stand on the issue, as expressed intellectually, is bankrupt. No doubt this is what Pelagius got upset about and led him to calling me dishonest. The church has displayed less thought than even the CATHOLIC church. The true church on earth again plays little brother to the Catholic church. Slightly disappointing.