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"This Crowd" = those with a habitual inclination to repeatedly criticize church leadership; with a predisposition to assume the worst in church actions and statements.
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After I had written it and set it down I had the idea strike me very strongly that there were going to be people in the congregation who lost their dad's when they were little, who had dads who were abusive or a least not good guys and who, generally, had experiences that were very different than the ideal father I had prepared to talk about. I didn't change anything I had written, but I added one last section addresses specifically to that last group. 90% of the comments I received after the talk were from people in that last group who had felt touched by the message directed to them. That is not a "ooh look at UtahDan" story. It is just meant to highlight that regardless of whether you have a hypersensitive audience and regardless of whether anyone would be justified in taking offense, if you see offense and hurt feelings on the horizon, it isn't very hard to soften or modify the message in a way that will uplift everyone (or at least almost). I recognize that sometimes the gospel is a sword that divides brother from brother or husband from wife, but I think that is primarily a metaphoric devise. I think most of the time the goal is uplift and show love. I understand why some are focused on the hypersensitivity of others on this issue. I get that part of it and I don't think I have ever been offended by anything said over the pulpit (read here that I have very little capacity for offense). That said, neither at church nor really anywhere in life have I ever found myself standing on the principle that an offended party is overreacting. I have often found myself saying that I intended no offense and softening the delivery next time around. To the extent that someone gives offense (for whatever reason) and feels like the yelp they hear is evidence that they are right to give it...lets just say I think that is the wrong conclusion to draw.
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Exactly. Hence my earlier prediction that Sister Beck would never repeat this episode.
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I agree completely with those that said her use of the phrase "mothers who know" do such and such, implied that if you don't do these things, you're a mother that doesn't know. Also, some of her examples were nonsense. Such as mothers that know have all their sons at church, dressed in a white shirt and tie, with missionary haircuts. LMAO! We have what, half the church membership inactive, and Julie Beck is harping on white shirts, and missionary haircuts for all boys at church? Guess I need to go home and give the 1 1/2 year old a trim, and pickup a white shirt and tie for him to wear to church every week. |
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