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Indy Coug · 03-04-2008, 05:45 PM

http://www.expelledthemovie.com/playground.php

woot · 03-04-2008, 06:28 PM

Why do you say that? Do you actually think that "Big Science" is illegally discriminating against those that want to teach religion in science class? Do you actually think those that are not able to publish legitimate research should be given special treatment and still be able to receive tenure? Do you actually think that litigation is the way a legitimate scientific theory would choose to gain acceptance?

ID has been thoroughly debunked by scientists, so creationists recognize they have no chance to gain acceptance other than to force themselves upon the establishment through lying to the public and through pressuring the courts. Of course, they frame the discussion in such dishonest ways as to make it seem like they have been "expelled," when in reality they have been rejected in the same way that thousands of other hypotheses have been rejected when they are not supported by the evidence. They are trying to circumvent the scientific method because they know that's the only way they have a chance.

Do you want your kids being taught born-again style fundamentalism in science class? Why? Would you want your kids being taught Muslim or Hindu creation stories in science class? Why can't we just teach science in science class?

SeattleUte · 03-04-2008, 06:43 PM

"Big Science" LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!

woot · 03-04-2008, 06:45 PM

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Originally Posted by SeattleUte

"Big Science" LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!

That's what I thought the first time I heard they had chosen that term for their movie.

Indy Coug · 03-04-2008, 06:56 PM

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Originally Posted by woot

Why do you say that? Do you actually think that "Big Science" is illegally discriminating against those that want to teach religion in science class? Do you actually think those that are not able to publish legitimate research should be given special treatment and still be able to receive tenure? Do you actually think that litigation is the way a legitimate scientific theory would choose to gain acceptance?

ID has been thoroughly debunked by scientists, so creationists recognize they have no chance to gain acceptance other than to force themselves upon the establishment through lying to the public and through pressuring the courts. Of course, they frame the discussion in such dishonest ways as to make it seem like they have been "expelled," when in reality they have been rejected in the same way that thousands of other hypotheses have been rejected when they are not supported by the evidence. They are trying to circumvent the scientific method because they know that's the only way they have a chance.

Do you want your kids being taught born-again style fundamentalism in science class? Why? Would you want your kids being taught Muslim or Hindu creation stories in science class? Why can't we just teach science in science class?

You think this all about Intelligent Design? If you think the issues at play here are that limited, then...

woot · 03-04-2008, 07:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Indy Coug

You think this all about Intelligent Design? If you think the issues at play here are that limited, then...

Yes, this is all about intelligent design. If you think there is some broader meaning here, out with it.

Surely you don't buy into these dopes' efforts to try to make "Big Science" a threat to the first amendment? You do realize that "Big Science" is in fact many thousands of ruthlessly independent thinkers whose greatest dream is to prove all the others wrong about anything?

The creators of this movie are very well-known; there is absolutely no mystery behind their intentions here. They are liars for Jesus, every one. They don't give a rip about the constitution. All they want is for their religious beliefs to gain enough acceptance to be forced onto our kids in science class. This is a missionary effort. Go read the "wedge document" and I bet you'll change your tune.

Jeff Lebowski · 03-04-2008, 08:21 PM

Looks like the same old hooey to me.

tooblue · 03-04-2008, 09:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Jeff Lebowski

Looks like the same old hooey to me.

What's the difference between the aim of this movie and the prevailing tone in the religion forum of CougarGuard?

Looks like the same old hooey to me.

tooblue · 03-04-2008, 09:23 PM

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Originally Posted by tooblue

What's the difference between the aim of this movie and the prevailing tone in the religion forum of CougarGuard?

Looks like the same old hooey to me.

"What I'm asking for is the freedom to follow the evidence where ever it leads ..."

A quote from the preview. I don't know that I will ever see the film but I find the irony of majority of the responses to it's posting interesting.

RockyBalboa · 03-04-2008, 09:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Jeff Lebowski

Looks like the same old hooey to me.

Sincerely,

Michael Moore

03-04-2008, 05:45 PM	#1
Indy Coug Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Between Iraq and a hard place Posts: 7,569	Every Academic Needs to Watch This http://www.expelledthemovie.com/playground.php

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SeattleUte fairlds.org Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Seattle, WA Posts: 10,665	"Big Science" LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!! __________________ Interrupt all you like. We're involved in a complicated story here, and not everything is quite what it seems to be. —Paul Auster

03-04-2008, 08:21 PM	#7
Jeff Lebowski Charon Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: In the heart of darkness (Provo) Posts: 9,564	Looks like the same old hooey to me. __________________ "... the arc of the universe is long but it bends toward justice." Martin Luther King, Jr.

03-04-2008, 06:28 PM	#2
woot Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Denver Posts: 1,502	Why do you say that? Do you actually think that "Big Science" is illegally discriminating against those that want to teach religion in science class? Do you actually think those that are not able to publish legitimate research should be given special treatment and still be able to receive tenure? Do you actually think that litigation is the way a legitimate scientific theory would choose to gain acceptance? ID has been thoroughly debunked by scientists, so creationists recognize they have no chance to gain acceptance other than to force themselves upon the establishment through lying to the public and through pressuring the courts. Of course, they frame the discussion in such dishonest ways as to make it seem like they have been "expelled," when in reality they have been rejected in the same way that thousands of other hypotheses have been rejected when they are not supported by the evidence. They are trying to circumvent the scientific method because they know that's the only way they have a chance. Do you want your kids being taught born-again style fundamentalism in science class? Why? Would you want your kids being taught Muslim or Hindu creation stories in science class? Why can't we just teach science in science class?