what are the practical effects of excommunication?

[MikeWaters]

Say you are excommunicated on a Saturday....

I assume there is no prohibition on showing up on Sunday to church right?

I suppose you would probably be asked not to partake of the sacrament? (who knows, we don't enforce this one very well since non-members and the very young often take it).

So you couldn't have a calling, and you couldn't given talks or prayers.

But for all intents and purposes, you could pretty much outwardly function as a member.

In other words, excommunication does not mean physical ostracization from the community?

[Tex]

Originally Posted by MikeWaters

Say you are excommunicated on a Saturday....

I assume there is no prohibition on showing up on Sunday to church right?

I suppose you would probably be asked not to partake of the sacrament? (who knows, we don't enforce this one very well since non-members and the very young often take it).

So you couldn't have a calling, and you couldn't given talks or prayers.

But for all intents and purposes, you could pretty much outwardly function as a member.

In other words, excommunication does not mean physical ostracization from the community?

When I get home I can give you the guideliness for what is proscribed, but your list is more or less correct. Also, you cannot pay tithing.

Actually, what you're describing is encouraged (assuming you're not a danger to the community, etc.). Part of the desire when someone is disciplined in this manner is that they return to full fellowship, and regular participation in church functions is definitely a plus in that respect.

[BYU71]

Originally Posted by Tex

When I get home I can give you the guideliness for what is proscribed, but your list is more or less correct. Also, you cannot pay tithing.

Actually, what you're describing is encouraged (assuming you're not a danger to the community, etc.). Part of the desire when someone is disciplined in this manner is that they return to full fellowship, and regular participation in church functions is definitely a plus in that respect.

I remember a broker I knew back in the 80's that got ex'd for adultery. He probably wouldn't have now days. Anyway he shows me this letter that says he can't pay tithing, he paid about $50,000 a year. The letter though said he would be more than welcome to pay the $50,000 to a general fund, he just couldn't call it tithing.

[Jeff Lebowski]

Originally Posted by Tex

When I get home I can give you the guideliness for what is proscribed, but your list is more or less correct. Also, you cannot pay tithing.

Actually, what you're describing is encouraged (assuming you're not a danger to the community, etc.). Part of the desire when someone is disciplined in this manner is that they return to full fellowship, and regular participation in church functions is definitely a plus in that respect.

I am not sure it is a factual statistic, but I have heard several times that only about 10% of ex'ed members return to the church. If that is the case, our batting average for "helping people repent" isn't too good.

[Tex]

Originally Posted by Jeff Lebowski

I am not sure it is a factual statistic, but I have heard several times that only about 10% of ex'ed members return to the church. If that is the case, our batting average for "helping people repent" isn't too good.

Sort of like knee-jerk blaming parents for the mis-deeds of their children.

[Indy Coug]

Originally Posted by Jeff Lebowski

I am not sure it is a factual statistic, but I have heard several times that only about 10% of ex'ed members return to the church. If that is the case, our batting average for "helping people repent" isn't too good.

It would be interesting to see how many excommunicated members actually wished to "get back into the good graces", but were unable to and compare that against the 10% or whatever the actual success rate figure is.

Just as a hypothetical, perhaps only 20% wanted to be back in full fellowship and the actual success rate is 50%.

[Mormon Red Death]

We have a gentleman that I home teach who was ex'ed and now is in good standing except they won't give him the priesthood back so he can't go to the temple.... I know he pays tithing (I once was the financial clerk) and its been several years since his sin (I don't know what it was). Every time I try and get this going (him and his wife want to go to the temple) my bishop says "that he has talked to the Stake Prez and that they are waiting on Salt Lake". How long does this dude have to wait? He is a member in full standing.

[Archaea]

Originally Posted by Mormon Red Death

We have a gentleman that I home teach who was ex'ed and now is in good standing except they won't give him the priesthood back so he can't go to the temple.... I know he pays tithing (I once was the financial clerk) and its been several years since his sin (I don't know what it was). Every time I try and get this going (him and his wife want to go to the temple) my bishop says "that he has talked to the Stake Prez and that they are waiting on Salt Lake". How long does this dude have to wait? He is a member in full standing.

Indeterminate.

It often depends upon the nature of the sin.

[Mormon Red Death]

Originally Posted by Archaea

Indeterminate.

It often depends upon the nature of the sin.

that's the thing... He can take the sacrament. He is a home teacher. He just can't go to the temple. My bishop agrees that he should be reinstated and so does the stake president. Salt Lake is the only one holding up the process and they by nature of being 2000 miles away can't possibly know the full situation.

[Archaea]

Originally Posted by Mormon Red Death

that's the thing... He can take the sacrament. He is a home teacher. He just can't go to the temple. My bishop agrees that he should be reinstated and so does the stake president. Salt Lake is the only one holding up the process and they by nature of being 2000 miles away can't possibly know the full situation.

Why is something like this removed from the onsite local leaders? It seems odd. And SLC doesn't share with the locals, even after approval is granted, what the delay was. I wonder how often the delay was, "A Clerk had it in pending file and failed to get clerk's boss to look at it."