Bybee may have to face the music after all

[Cali Coug]

Originally Posted by MikeWaters

If Bybee had an ounce of regret, he would resign.

If Bybee had an ounce of regret, he would apologize.

Sometimes, when what you do is heinous enough, the only way the mind can grapple with it is to justify it.

See: Khmer Rouge.

Ironically, the Khmer Rouge used waterboarding, which we promptly denounced as torture. The Japanese used it as well. Some of those who used it were later executed for war crimes.

[MikeWaters]

It blows my mind that OBL has started us down the path of a police state, and nobody cares.

Illegal wiretaps? Who cares.

"Patriot" Act? Yawn.

Homeland Security? Gives me warm fuzzies.

[MikeWaters]

Originally Posted by Cali Coug

Ironically, the Khmer Rouge used waterboarding, which we promptly denounced as torture. The Japanese used it as well. Some of those who used it were later executed for war crimes.

Is it possible Bybee could be executed?

[Tex]

Originally Posted by Cali Coug

What is his point? If it works it must be legal? Are you really on board with this line of reasoning, Tex? Seriously? Even assuming the truth of his statement?

No, I don't think that's his point.

[il Padrino Ute]

Originally Posted by MikeWaters

Times editorial calls for the impeachment of Bybee.





http://www.nytimes.com/2009/04/19/opinion/19sun1.html

The NY Times editorial page isn't very objective, so it's no surprise it would call for impeachment.

I'm not defending Bybee. I was only pointing out what lawyers do.

[Cali Coug]

Originally Posted by Tex

No, I don't think that's his point.

Then what do you think is his point?

[Tex]

Originally Posted by Cali Coug

Then what do you think is his point?

That the benefits should be carefully weighed against the drawbacks in determining policy. That attitude is reflected in this quote:

“I like to think I would not have approved those methods in the past,” he wrote, “but I do not fault those who made the decisions at that time, and I will absolutely defend those who carried out the interrogations within the orders they were given.”

[8ballrollin]

It's too bad the Bush administration and the CIA acted without oversight. I think Nancy and Bob Graham would have put a stop to waterboarding. Oh...that's right, I forgot Congress does have oversight over intelligence and receives briefing on the legality of their programs methods; it's their job.

Representative Nancy Pelosi of California, who in 2002 was the ranking Democrat on the House committee, has said in public statements that she recalls being briefed on the methods, including waterboarding. She insists, however, that the lawmakers were told only that the C.I.A. believed the methods were legal — not that they were going to be used.

By contrast, the ranking Republican on the House committee at the time, Porter J. Goss of Florida, who later served as C.I.A. director, recalls a clear message that the methods would be used.

“We were briefed, and we certainly understood what C.I.A. was doing,” Mr. Goss said in an interview. “Not only was there no objection, there was actually concern about whether the agency was doing enough.”

Senator Bob Graham, Democrat of Florida, who was committee chairman in 2002, said in an interview that he did not recall ever being briefed on the methods, though government officials with access to records say all four committee leaders received multiple briefings.

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/04/22/us...nted=3&_r=1&hp

[MikeWaters]

Is it possible Pelosi could be executed?

[8ballrollin]

Originally Posted by MikeWaters

Is it possible Pelosi could be executed?

No. She is already more Botox and hair products than human.