The Obama Judiciary

[exUte]

Originally Posted by Ma'ake

So if Stevens retires (fairly likely, he's been hanging on, patiently), Obama appoints a liberal, no real change in the makeup of the court, right? The big change from a conservative point of view is if Kennedy or one of the Cons quits or dies. Otherwise, why would they be bitching? Because the train to stack the court with right wing ideologues is slowed?

how about judges that don't legislate from the bench.....from either party. I know that would be a stretch.

[Jeff Lebowski]

One more thing: There are a wide variety of belief systems represented in the churches that sponsor BSA troops. Unitarians, for example, are pretty liberal. Many of these churches are quite permissive with respect to premarital sex, unwed couples living together, etc. And many scout troops are sponsored by non-religious entities. The BSA never stepped in and made exclusions based on these cases. But, by golly, let's not let any queers into the system.

[BlueK]

Originally Posted by Tex

I believe the concern, genius, is that some homosexual would've tried to force himself into an LDS troop.

The concern as far as the LDS church went was the LDS scouts would be exposed to gay leaders at camp or other meetings involving non-LDS units. It would not have affected LDS troops directly because each sponsoring organization has the right to choose its own leaders, and even losing the case would not have changed that. What would have happened is that the organizations that didn't have a problem with gay leaders would have been allowed to have them.

[Jeff Lebowski]

Originally Posted by exute

the hen house. Most gay men are pedophiles and perverts. Sounds like you caught the gay.........hook line and sinker.

No you can't be my son's scoutmaster. Sorry.

q.e.d.

[BlueK]

Originally Posted by exUte

how about judges that don't legislate from the bench.....from either party. I know that would be a stretch.

Yup. It's a stretch as long as either party is in power.

[exUte]

Originally Posted by BarbaraGordon

I'm so glad someone finally admitted what this is really all about.

Thank you, ex.

and the number of partners the average gay man has over their lifetime. Care to take a guess? Do your research and return and report.

[Tex]

Originally Posted by Jeff Lebowski

It's your argument, Tex. BSA would "be destroyed" because a subset of the parents wouldn't be comfortable with an organization that is friendly to gays.

It's not my argument such discomfort is bigotry.

Originally Posted by Jeff Lebowski

More fear-mongering. This is all part of that secret gay agenda, right?

You are dodging again. The rule was based on orientation only. Not lifestyle, not promiscuity. Orientation.

It's not fear mongering, and I don't know if it's part of any agenda. All I know is, a ruling the other way would've prevented the LDS church from removing a homosexual scoutmaster.

Promiscuity is irrelevant. The Scouts believe that the orientation is wrong, and they have a right to block someone from serving who believes otherwise. Would it have made you feel better if the Court had instituted a "don't ask, don't tell" policy for gay scoutmasters?

Originally Posted by Jeff Lebowski

That's bigotry in my book.

Yes, we got it. Say it one more time to make you feel better.

[Tex]

Originally Posted by BlueK

The concern as far as the LDS church went was the LDS scouts would be exposed to gay leaders at camp or other meetings involving non-LDS units. It would not have affected LDS troops directly because each sponsoring organization has the right to choose its own leaders, and even losing the case would not have changed that. What would have happened is that the organizations that didn't have a problem with gay leaders would have been allowed to have them.

I don't believe that. We're hypothesizing now. IMO, there's a high likelihood that a removed gay LDS troopmaster would have chosen to sue under Dale. And had the court gone the other way, I think he would win.

[BarbaraGordon]

Originally Posted by exUte

and the number of partners the average gay man has over their lifetime. Care to take a guess? Do your research and return and report.

WHAT does the number of consensual adult partners have to do with your allegations of pedophilia? Your bigotry is really showing here, ex.

[Jeff Lebowski]

Originally Posted by Tex

It's not my argument such discomfort is bigotry.

You haven't made an argument that it isn't. The issue is not the definition of bigotry but your stated reason why the BSA would be "destroyed".

Originally Posted by Tex

Promiscuity is irrelevant. The Scouts believe that the orientation is wrong, and they have a right to block someone from serving who believes otherwise. Would it have made you feel better if the Court had instituted a "don't ask, don't tell" policy for gay scoutmasters?

Again, you are being purposely obtuse (surprise!). I agree it was the right legal decision. But it is a shame that it had to come on a case like this. This is a hollow victory.