It realy is about religion ...

[woot]

Originally Posted by tooblue

Now I'm wrong? How exactly ... lol ... you can't carry on a conversation without definatively stating you are right and someone else is wrong. Think about that woot ... think about.

And Don't change definitions now that you have been challenged -Il padrino postd the definition -go look at it.

You shuned Mormonism due to fear and cowardice. Own up to it -don't try to make your decision appear as something more.

I really hope you realize how little sense you are making. The only fear involved in shunning Mormonism for me was how my wife, entire family, and all my friends would handle it. Why is "cowardice" the default assumption of so many on the Right? Suicide bombers are always "cowards," for instance. I'm guessing that the term is used only because it's insulting, not because it actually means anything.

Also, I'm well aware of the definition of "bigotry," but as discussed before, under the dictionary's definition every single person is bigoted about 99.9% of everything and the term loses all meaning. The dictionary does not define words, it only reflects popular usage. Please explain how you're using it so that it means something other than simple disagreement.

[il Padrino Ute]

Originally Posted by SeattleUte

You mean like this?:

I have to agree with you there. That does fit under the same broad definition.

[tooblue]

Originally Posted by SeattleUte

You mean like this?:

Please explain why the onus should be on Mormonism to change? Also please explain this contradictory position considering your continued criticism for actions you have deemed as changing to appear more mainstream?

Better yet, nut up and call a spade a spade -it's bigotry in all instances and should not be tolerated.

[MikeWaters]

Originally Posted by tooblue

Please explain why the onus should be on Mormonism to change? Also please explain this contradictory position considering your continued criticism for actions you have deemed as changing to appear more mainstream?

Better yet, nut up and call a spade a spade -it's bigotry in all instances and should not be tolerated.

I don't think Mormonism needs to pander to Babylon. Bad move.

[ilmf]

Originally Posted by tooblue

The reality is Mormons are not freaky ... Mormons do not need to change ... Americans in general are ignorant and NEED to change!

I was trying to take you serious until I read that. I haven't finished reading the entire thread to know if that was tongue-in-cheek or not.

[tooblue]

Originally Posted by woot

I really hope you realize how little sense you are making. The only fear involved in shunning Mormonism for me was how my wife, entire family, and all my friends would handle it. Why is "cowardice" the default assumption of so many on the Right? Suicide bombers are always "cowards," for instance. I'm guessing that the term is used only because it's insulting, not because it actually means anything.

Also, I'm well aware of the definition of "bigotry," but as discussed before, under the dictionary's definition every single person is bigoted about 99.9% of everything and the term loses all meaning. The dictionary does not define words, it only reflects popular usage. Please explain how you're using it so that it means something other than simple disagreement.

The problem is I am making perfect sense and it vexes you. You want this discussion to be about me -so that you can belittle and hopefully make your self feel better about yourself. I want this discussion to be about bigotry. Interesting difference isn't there?

[woot]

Originally Posted by tooblue

The problem is I am making perfect sense and it vexes you. You want this discussion to be about me -so that you can belittle and hopefully make your self feel better about yourself. I want this discussion to be about bigotry. Interesting difference isn't there?

No really, you're not making any sense. In this case, because you ignored my inquiries about bigotry and tried to make this about you while claiming I'm trying to make it about you and not bigotry.

I don't care if Mormonism changes, just as I don't care if any other religion changes. There is nothing that any religion could do to make me think that they base their doctrines on reason. That shouldn't be an insult, as that's the point of religion. Many find comfort in that; I don't. That I reject Mormonism doesn't make me a bigot any more than rejecting atheism makes you a bigot. You just keep throwing that word around as if it's the ultimate insult without even realizing what it means.

[tooblue]

Originally Posted by SeattleUte

This is priceless. I'm going to assume he's kidding.

You really believe the world is better off if it is full of people who endeavor to conform? I hope you won't let your desire to put tooblue in place overwhelm your generally open minded attitude

The arrogance of your attitude is comenserate with the attitude of what the world has come to know as the Ugly American.

[SeattleUte]

Originally Posted by tooblue

Please explain why the onus should be on Mormonism to change? Also please explain this contradictory position considering your continued criticism for actions you have deemed as changing to appear more mainstream?

Better yet, nut up and call a spade a spade -it's bigotry in all instances and should not be tolerated.

All I said is Mormons should reflect on why they are unpopular. Look, I give Waters points at least for consistently. He says Mormons should be indifferent to worldly opinion. My advice is for people like you and Mitt Romney who seem to think it matters or care whether the world likes you for your beliefs.

[tooblue]

Originally Posted by woot

No really, you're not making any sense. In this case, because you ignored my inquiries about bigotry and tried to make this about you while claiming I'm trying to make it about you and not bigotry.

I don't care if Mormonism changes, just as I don't care if any other religion changes. There is nothing that any religion could do to make me think that they base their doctrines on reason. That shouldn't be an insult, as that's the point of religion. Many find comfort in that; I don't. That I reject Mormonism doesn't make me a bigot any more than rejecting atheism makes you a bigot. You just keep throwing that word around as if it's the ultimate insult without even realizing what it means.

You attacked me from the get go. Your intent was not to engage my idea but to tell me what a fool I am. It's that simple.