Iraqi Orphans Chained to Beds

[Archaea]

[quote=mindfulcoug;92036]

Originally Posted by Archaea

well...it seems a pretty difficult task to do ..but the better job would be just not to be too quick to judge over the nation for the first step .. practicing farsi would be the next step ??

Khoemeni did not improve things, just radicalized things in a different way.

Westernization, secularization, and a large middle class brings the most stabililty to a country.

China, under Deng XioPing, realized it was glorious to become rich, and in the 1980s, he set things in motion to establish a large Chinese middle class, sent people off the industrialized nations for the best education, and really set about to modernize China. He has made China a force to be reckoned with.

What have the leaders of Iran accomplished by desecularizing it? They have isolated it, so it must buy rogue technologies, cannot import as freely as Russia or China and blocked significant aspects of learning the forward looking leaders of China and India have embraced.

Isolation is never the model to bless one's people.

[Mindfulcoug]

Originally Posted by SoonerCoug

Farsi is Mindful's first language, by the way.

i am mindful and i approve this message!

[Archaea]

[quote=mindfulcoug;92041]

Originally Posted by SoonerCoug

i am mindful and i approve this message!

Masalaam malachem!

okay, I don't speak Farsi, so broken Arabic will have to do.

[Mindfulcoug]

Originally Posted by Archaea

Masalaam malachem!

okay, I don't speak Farsi, so broken Arabic will have to do.

now its my turn to learn arabic ..go figure!

[Archaea]

Here is my question for Islamicists:

Why did the sect suppress Sufism? It was the one segment which I could truly cherish, given its emphasis on charity and good works.

Islam enjoyed its Golden Age as it absorbed the Greco-Roman wisdom, added some of its own, and secularized.

When the Brits divided up the region irrationally, they also awarded control irrationally, granting power to the Wahhabis, but ignoring true power where it should have resided.

Why do we have the radical segments grabbing so much power, whereas as Christianity matured, its softer versions grabbed political power.

[SoonerCoug]

Originally Posted by Archaea

Here is my question for Islamicists:

Why did the sect suppress Sufism? It was the one segment which I could truly cherish, given its emphasis on charity and good works.

Islam enjoyed its Golden Age as it absorbed the Greco-Roman wisdom, added some of its own, and secularized.

When the Brits divided up the region irrationally, they also awarded control irrationally, granting power to the Wahhabis, but ignoring true power where it should have resided.

Why do we have the radical segments grabbing so much power, whereas as Christianity matured, its softer versions grabbed political power.

OK, I'm going to reveal some of MindfulCoug's identity.

MindfulCoug is:

NOT a Coug
NOT a male
NOT a Mormon
NOT an American.

MindfulCoug is:

a female
a devout muslim
an Iranian
an educated immunologist
a kind person, who is willing to discuss issues with us. Please handle with care.

[Archaea]

[quote=mindfulcoug;92043]

Originally Posted by Archaea

now its my turn to learn arabic ..go figure!

Arabic is not part of the Indo-European language group, but engages the trisylabary verb groups of most Semitic languages, including Akkadian, Egyptian, Hebrew, Syriac I believe and several other dead languages. It is truly beautiful but bizarre to the Western mind.

Of Course, Sanskript and Hindi are quite bizarre of their own right. Even odder to my tastes are the languages of Pakistan, Urdu and some those varieties. The weirdest language I've ever heard spoken was Erutrean, a weird Bantu language mixed in with Arabic wordstock and other bizarre stuff. It sounds to me like a lot of bird chirping. Of course, Afghani Pashtu is weird enough.

[Mindfulcoug]

now its less than 20 according to the latest statistics sooner

http://www.accu.or.jp/litdbase/policy/irn/index.htm

[SoonerCoug]

Originally Posted by mindfulcoug

My biggest problem with Iran is that 30% of the population can't read. Apparently that number is a vast improvement over what it was before Khomeini came into power (back when the US was propping up the Shah

now its less than 20 according to the latest statistics sooner
http://www.accu.or.jp/litdbase/policy/irn/index.htm

So you're catching up with Godless Red China. Congratulations.

[Archaea]

Originally Posted by mindfulcoug

My biggest problem with Iran is that 30% of the population can't read. Apparently that number is a vast improvement over what it was before Khomeini came into power (back when the US was propping up the Shah

now its less than 20 according to the latest statistics sooner
http://www.accu.or.jp/litdbase/policy/irn/index.htm

I would like for them to be rich, because rich people educate themselves, regardless of the intentions of the leaders. Rich often think for themselves, not that academia can't, but wealthy don't really care what politicians say.

Once you have something to lose, you moderate your views.

And if you have specific Islamic insights, please advise. Insight within the west is difficult. My arabic is broken and rudimentary to say the least. The Qu'ran is written in a style I don't hope to emulate, and there doesn't seem to be a coalescing effort a la Christianity, but more akin to Judaism.

We have the basic division of Sunna and Shia, but that's too elementary. What percentage of Shia within Iran are truly agnostic Shia and what percentage are observant Shia?