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Old 04-02-2007, 07:10 PM   #21
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Give me a break, friend. In a dating relationship, the male and female are not on equal ground--- she has total control over what happens and you're completely at her mercy.

I do not know "women" who honor the priesthood in giving deference to whatever the man wants. Perhaps some backwoods women do in Utah or Idaho, but I doubt that. No, women lack the final stamp of approval but general call the shots.

Each has dominion over one's own body. (Now I'm speaking of rape but consensual actions).
I will not argue the issue of domion, however it is important to note that Men by virtue of the nature of the human condition are physically dominant. Such dominance is no small thing. It is ALWAYS in the back of a womans' mind, where as it is NEVER in the back of a mans mind.

I do know woman that give deference to their husbands -but no where in scripture etc. have I read or heard it must be done to accomidate WHATEVER the man wants, for that would be unrighteous dominion.
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Old 04-02-2007, 07:11 PM   #22
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What authority is that? We get to decide what to do for Sharing Time? We plan the ward potluck? We are help mates. We have the supporting role. I'm not complaining. That's just how it is.
I am talking about authority in the Church, not within a marriage or in a dating relationship, BTW.
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Old 04-02-2007, 07:14 PM   #23
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What authority is that? We get to decide what to do for Sharing Time? We plan the ward potluck? We are help mates. We have the supporting role. I'm not complaining. That's just how it is.
The athority to permit men to govern the church. The authority to minister to the sisters of a Ward. The authority to preach, teach and minister the gospel.

Helpmeet not mate; men also are helpmeets ie -perfect partners!
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I am talking about authority in the Church, not within a marriage or in a dating relationship, BTW.
I'm talking about authority in the church!
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Old 04-02-2007, 07:16 PM   #25
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This sounds like an argument about who gets to sign the checks when both parties also have credit cards.
That made me laugh -don't know why.
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Old 04-02-2007, 07:23 PM   #26
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I'm talking about authority in the church!
Yeah, but Archaea seems to be talking about within a relationship.
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Old 04-02-2007, 07:24 PM   #27
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The athority to permit men to govern the church. The authority to minister to the sisters of a Ward. The authority to preach, teach and minister the gospel.
In my last ward, EVERYTHING the RS did had to be approved by the Bishop, including the books chosen for our book club.
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Yeah, but Archaea seems to be talking about within a relationship.
That's Archea And Archea struggles to find anything positive to say about partnership in marriage
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Old 04-02-2007, 07:30 PM   #29
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In my last ward, EVERYTHING the RS did had to be approved by the Bishop, including the books chosen for our book club.
Was that because of a controling Bishop or a manipulative RS presidency? There is considerable difference between; "I do not trust the sisters in the Ward to choose good books," and "The Bishop must approve all books!"



By the way my wife organised a book club quite some time ago. It's made up of all members from various Wards in the Stake. It is not a RS book club, nor would they ever consider asking permission of the Bishop etc. ... they read what they want to read and they exclude people who fail to make commitments.
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Old 04-02-2007, 07:34 PM   #30
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I just wanted to know what you guys thought of this, a very good friend of mine is a jr high counselor in Utah county.

Last week 3 girls at the school took some pictures of themselves in an inappropriate manner (we are talking very very explicit, porno explicit) on their cell phones and sent them to a boy at the school. Well this boy forwarded the pictures to his friends and they ended up getting in to the hands of a teacher and they were all caught.

The girls were all put on probation (which is basically a slap on the wrist) the boy that recieved the pictures and forwarded them was suspended for 4 days. The other boys that recieved them from their friend were also put on probation.

Why is the kid that recieved the pictures suspended when the girls that started the whole thing were not? I know its not right but what 14 year old boy would not forward those pictures to his friends?

I feel like if a boy sent an explicit picture of himself to some girls the consequences woudl have been outrageous probably expulsion and possibly criminal charges.
The punishment wasn't sufficient for any of the involved parties. The girls should get shipped to a convent and the boy who passed them along should get strung up by his testicles with the receivers as witnesses. This story makes me ill.
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