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Old 05-31-2007, 08:03 PM   #31
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I came to this country from Taiwan when I was 6, and my parents spoke English to me so I could catch up in school. But I can tell you this:

*Assimilation for the 2nd generation is natural if you follow the path of least resistance.

*I commend Latinos for their better track record of preserving their language/culture compared to Asians. Being cut off from your past is not a good thing (look at African Americans).

*Mexicans may not emphasis education as much, but they do have high levels of entrepreneurship. Don't neglect all the good they bring.

I'll use you as an example. Coming from Taiwan, you come from culture rich in emphasis on education and entrepreneuralism. The subculture within Chinatown, if that's where you grew up is different than Latinotown. Plus, as an ABC or almost ABC, odds are you may have grown up in a nonChinese part of town. The odds of Latinos living outside of a latino area are greatly diminished. So the old culture not emphasizing education is reenforced by one's friends and neighbors.

In contrast, coming from Asia, your parents are likely to have stressed the need to excel, an unlikely impetus in a Latino family.

The culture is one Mexicans must escape for them to succeed in the highly competitive industrialized world. Much of their culture fights against success. And this is not necessarily true for Argentina, Chile or Brazil, where the cultures are quite different. Even Costa Rica has an amazingly different culture. Obviously my observations are not good predicters for any particular family where good habits may have been developed.
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Old 05-31-2007, 08:37 PM   #32
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I'll use you as an example. Coming from Taiwan, you come from culture rich in emphasis on education and entrepreneuralism. The subculture within Chinatown, if that's where you grew up is different than Latinotown. Plus, as an ABC or almost ABC, odds are you may have grown up in a nonChinese part of town. The odds of Latinos living outside of a latino area are greatly diminished. So the old culture not emphasizing education is reenforced by one's friends and neighbors.

In contrast, coming from Asia, your parents are likely to have stressed the need to excel, an unlikely impetus in a Latino family.

The culture is one Mexicans must escape for them to succeed in the highly competitive industrialized world. Much of their culture fights against success. And this is not necessarily true for Argentina, Chile or Brazil, where the cultures are quite different. Even Costa Rica has an amazingly different culture. Obviously my observations are not good predicters for any particular family where good habits may have been developed.
So from your personal observations, Mexicans tend not to have an impetus to succeed? As I have noted, they do have high relatively high levels of entrepreneurship. You'd also be hard-pressed to find a Mexican bum on the street. I have noticed that they do not have a materialistic impulse, and hence don't pursue anything beyond what's necessary to support their families. But everywhere I look they're working.

Furthermore, illegal immigration is a huge investment, so it weeds out people with no initiative.
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So from your personal observations, Mexicans tend not to have an impetus to succeed? As I have noted, they do have high relatively high levels of entrepreneurship. You'd also be hard-pressed to find a Mexican bum on the street. I have noticed that they do not have a materialistic impulse, and hence don't pursue anything beyond what's necessary to support their families. But everywhere I look they're working.

Furthermore, illegal immigration is a huge investment, so it weeds out people with no initiative.
I assume Mexicans have the impetus, but aspects of their culture impede their ability by virtue of the culture blinding them to the proper priorities necessary to succeed.
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So from your personal observations, Mexicans tend not to have an impetus to succeed? As I have noted, they do have high relatively high levels of entrepreneurship. You'd also be hard-pressed to find a Mexican bum on the street. I have noticed that they do not have a materialistic impulse, and hence don't pursue anything beyond what's necessary to support their families. But everywhere I look they're working.

Furthermore, illegal immigration is a huge investment, so it weeds out people with no initiative.

It's not that they have no impetus to succeed, but according to some bilingual teachers here in Dallas, many of the immigrant parents here are poor and uneducated. They can't read or write in their own language, and have never been to school. They don't know how to help their children with the rudiments of education. Consequently, it takes more work to get their children to be educated in English.

This creates divisiveness among the ranks here in Dallas. Some people see the emphasis on bilingual education as unfair to them and their children. Some Dallas schools have talked about only hiring bilingual principals, and bilingual teachers from Kindergarten all the way through high school. I've heard that high school English teachers aren't allowed to fail Spanish-speaking students. The possibility that a long-standing teacher in a Dallas high school could be fired because they don't speak Spanish upsets people. It's a hot button issue here for sure.
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