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ETB caused Mormons to be less conservative?
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I think you're wrong here. While Mormons are conservative to ultra conservative as a whole, having an ULTRA conservative in charge makes the church a much safer place for those views. It causes them to enter the main stream of thought. I remember being a freshman at BYU in 1993 and one of my hall-mates trying to convince me that the John Birch society was tacitly endorsed by the church because of ETB's former affiliation. He was young and dumb, but he believed it. Anecdotal I know, but my point is that having a leader that far on the right gave his view point fertilizer and a lot of room to grow that it would not ahve had otherwise. If what you are saying is that the membership didn;t need much of a nudge to head that direction then I can argee with that.
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Can you cite one example of ETB taking radical positions as President of the Mormon Church? You can't. I guarantee it. By the way, he came to my mission and spoke for an hour or so and as a ZL I shook his hand and met him. He was a sweet easy going old man who just talked about missionary work and also had some sweet things to say about his wife and family. If you want an erascible extremist while in Mormon higher office it was Mark E. Peterson but he wasn't that influential. As a rule I don't read whole books on Mormonism. They don't hold my interest. There isn't much there there and I "get it." I get the yin and I get the yang. Mormons are most interesting as a piece of the overall mosaic; the minutia is not interesting.
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you've admitted defeat.
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I said if anything. Are you going to try to defend your original point?
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I think there is a wing of mormons influenced by ETB that are the www.getusoutoftheUN.org wackjobs, but I don't think they really characterize the mormon culture fairly. However, the mormons have yet to lose their insatiable appetite for ta-ta enhancement and for that they will be eternally blessed. I think that is what kept Non-Sequitar around as long as he stayed. Nothing beats noticing Sister Johanson's has a boooost of confidence while she wales out "Come thou fount of every blessing.." with the ward choir and one can see that she decided to have her good plastic surgeon pick up where God left her short. Brother Johansson finds it disgustingly materialistic, but he manages to live with it.
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