Now that the LDS Church has raised the

[InVinoVeritas]

bar?

[Indy Coug]

If they're doing their job properly, less missionaries are being sent home because they are filtering out the higher risk missionaries before they ever reach the MTC.

[BYU71]

Originally Posted by InVinoVeritas

bar, are more or less missionaries being sent home prematurely?

Also, does the Church's policy of disafellowship over excommunication for disavowed missionaries really keep them in the Church, or do they fall away anyway?

I wonder if anyone in leadership worries about an eventual class system in the church and how that will affect people.

Has anyone studied any of the older churches, say the Catholics and if a class sytem developed there and what happened.

[Indy Coug]

Originally Posted by BYU71

I wonder if anyone in leadership worries about an eventual class system in the church and how that will affect people.

Has anyone studied any of the older churches, say the Catholics and if a class sytem developed there and what happened.

The class system arose over using heredity and/or money to obtain more influence in the church.

You think that's starting to happen in the LDS church?

[Indy Coug]

Originally Posted by InVinoVeritas

I definately think there is a class system in the Church. I don't think it is pronounced, but it is definately there.

Even in Boston?

[SoonerCoug]

Originally Posted by InVinoVeritas

I definately think there is a class system in the Church. I don't think it is pronounced, but it is definately there.

Sure there is a class system.

I've had 3 relatives (1st cousin once removed, great uncle, and great uncle) in the first presidency in the last 30 years. What are the chances of that if I'm not a Mormon aristocrat? Indy?

[Indy Coug]

Originally Posted by SoonerCoug

Sure there is a class system.

I've had 3 relatives (1st cousin once removed, great uncle, and great uncle) in the first presidency in the last 30 years. What are the chances of that if I'm not a Mormon aristocrat? Indy?

Are you saying they unduly used their family ties to wield power?

[SoonerCoug]

Originally Posted by Indy Coug

Are you saying they unduly used their family ties to wield power?

No. I'm saying that the fact that they were relatives somehow introduced a bias. Maybe it's because they knew each other...I don't know.

I'm convinced that the vast majority of general authorities are genuinely good, sincere men who are doing their best, but sometimes make mistakes.

[Archaea]

Originally Posted by SoonerCoug

No. I'm saying that the fact that they were relatives somehow introduced a bias. Maybe it's because they knew each other...I don't know.

I'm convinced that the vast majority of general authorities are genuinely good, sincere men who are doing their best, but sometimes make mistakes.

I also believe for the most part, God doesn't care who his leaders are, so long as they are devout members, who participate and work hard. Thus, leaders are free to choose those they know.

[BYU71]

Originally Posted by InVinoVeritas

I definately think there is a class system in the Church. I don't think it is pronounced, but it is definately there.

and thanks 71 for jacking the thread.

Sorry. What made me think of it was the more stringent rules for missionaries. Another stratification of good and better mormons. I don't know what the answer would be, as I support the notion of missionaries being better qualified or more ready to go.

However, I see class starting to crop up and Indy, I don't think it is about money, but about who is better.

BYU, that is where the churches best and brightest go. Every young man a missionary. The ones that don't go are lesser citizens. For the, I will only marry a RM girls, there status will only go up if they hook one since there will be fewer and they will be more revered.

You are a great Mom, but you work. I am a great Mom and stay at home, greater status.

I don't know, maybe this is really nothing, because right now when I actually attend church I don't see any stratification of members, it is only when I hear people talk.

Yea, I know there is the Celestial, Telestial and Terrestial, however I don't know if we as mortals get to assign our fellow members that status right now.