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Cali Coug · 12-16-2005, 03:01 AM

I do find it disturbing that so many Mormon Republicans think the party is ordained of God. That makes having a rational discussion on any political topic very difficult.

I also find it interesting to look back and see how it happened. Under FDR, most Mormons were Democrats. David O McKay was fairly liberal for his time as well. Then came Benson. He was a very politically active apostle, and when he made his statement that you can't be a good Mormon and a Democrat, the tide really shifted. I don't know why so many Mormons take his statement as doctrine but refuse to accept the hundreds of statements to the contrary from LDS officials (including GBH), but that is what happened.

I also think that many LDS people had racist tendencies, and the civil rights movement, sponsored by Democrats, did not go over well at all with them. Then you have the ERA and abortion within a short time period, and that is all she wrote.

Things are so extreme that Harry Reid, the most powerful LDS politician ever, is hated and demeaned by those who should be rooting for him the most- his brethren. I find it sad and dangerous.

tooblue · 12-16-2005, 03:08 AM

BYU football is ordained of God therefore ......

:P

Cali Coug · 12-16-2005, 03:20 AM

il Padrino Ute · 12-16-2005, 03:27 AM

just as one can be a Republican and a member in good standing.

I choose to be a Republican because it's platform more closely represents my own politcial beliefs. However, I find that both sides have too many politicans who are idiots. When choosing to vote for one over the other, I choose the one who, IMO, is less idiotic.

And why should I support Harry Reid because he is LDS? A statement like that is no different than people hating him for no reason other than he being a Democrat?

MikeWaters · 12-16-2005, 03:38 AM

I can't think of a single LDS politician that I like. Orrin Hatch, Mitt, Reid.

The other Utah senator I think is decent, but I don't know much about him.

tooblue · 12-16-2005, 03:41 AM

yah well you're a wacko pinko commie :lol:

RockyBalboa · 12-16-2005, 04:00 AM

Why do you think Harry Reid is the most powerful LDS politician ever?

I know most, even the LDS Democrats I know, would strongly disagree with that assertion.

I'm curious why you feel that way.

**NOTE** -- This is not me slamming someone for how they feel, just asking WHY they feel that way. Just in case someone reads it wrong.

SoCalCoug · 12-16-2005, 04:08 AM

Senate minority leader? What LDS politician has been in a greater position of power?

il Padrino Ute · 12-16-2005, 04:11 AM

but Hatch was the chairman of the Senate Judicial Committee. I don't know if that is any more or less powerful a position than Senate Minority Leader.

And Ezra Taft Benson was Eisenhower's Secretary of Agriculture. (which would cause a clever LDS Democrat who didn't like Benson's politcal beliefs to say something about BS....

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fuegote · 12-16-2005, 04:15 AM

Hoya, that's why I'm neither a Democrat or a Republican. I'm conservative in my political stance but that doesn't mean I vote republican.

I like to look at the constitution and choose the canidate the comes the closest to following the constitution's ideals.

12-16-2005, 03:01 AM	#1
Cali Coug Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 5,996	Republicans and the church I do find it disturbing that so many Mormon Republicans think the party is ordained of God. That makes having a rational discussion on any political topic very difficult. I also find it interesting to look back and see how it happened. Under FDR, most Mormons were Democrats. David O McKay was fairly liberal for his time as well. Then came Benson. He was a very politically active apostle, and when he made his statement that you can't be a good Mormon and a Democrat, the tide really shifted. I don't know why so many Mormons take his statement as doctrine but refuse to accept the hundreds of statements to the contrary from LDS officials (including GBH), but that is what happened. I also think that many LDS people had racist tendencies, and the civil rights movement, sponsored by Democrats, did not go over well at all with them. Then you have the ERA and abortion within a short time period, and that is all she wrote. Things are so extreme that Harry Reid, the most powerful LDS politician ever, is hated and demeaned by those who should be rooting for him the most- his brethren. I find it sad and dangerous.

12-16-2005, 03:20 AM	#3
Cali Coug Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 5,996	Well, that one IS true!

12-16-2005, 03:27 AM	#4
il Padrino Ute Board Pinhead Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: In the basement of my house, Murray, Utah. Posts: 15,941	I think one can be a Demo and a member in good standing... just as one can be a Republican and a member in good standing. I choose to be a Republican because it's platform more closely represents my own politcial beliefs. However, I find that both sides have too many politicans who are idiots. When choosing to vote for one over the other, I choose the one who, IMO, is less idiotic. And why should I support Harry Reid because he is LDS? A statement like that is no different than people hating him for no reason other than he being a Democrat? __________________ "The beauty of baseball is not having to explain it." - Chuck Shriver "This is now the joke that stupid people laugh at." - Christopher Hitchens on IQ jokes about GWB.

12-16-2005, 04:08 AM	#8
SoCalCoug Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Orange County, California Posts: 3,059	Senate minority leader? What LDS politician has been in a greater position of power? __________________ Get your stinking paws off me, you damned, dirty Yewt! "Now perhaps as I spanked myself screaming out "Kozlowski, say it like you mean it bitch!" might have been out of line, but such was the mood." - Goatnapper "If you want to fatten a pig up to make the pig MORE delicious, you can feed it almost anything. Seriously. The pig is like the car on Back to the Future. You put in garbage, and out comes something magical!" - Cali Coug

12-16-2005, 04:11 AM	#9
il Padrino Ute Board Pinhead Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: In the basement of my house, Murray, Utah. Posts: 15,941	Not sure if this is the answer you're looking for... but Hatch was the chairman of the Senate Judicial Committee. I don't know if that is any more or less powerful a position than Senate Minority Leader. And Ezra Taft Benson was Eisenhower's Secretary of Agriculture. (which would cause a clever LDS Democrat who didn't like Benson's politcal beliefs to say something about BS.... ) __________________ "The beauty of baseball is not having to explain it." - Chuck Shriver "This is now the joke that stupid people laugh at." - Christopher Hitchens on IQ jokes about GWB.

12-16-2005, 03:08 AM	#2
tooblue Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 4,016	BYU football is ordained of God therefore ...... :P

12-16-2005, 03:38 AM	#5
MikeWaters Demiurge Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 36,365	I can't think of a single LDS politician that I like. Orrin Hatch, Mitt, Reid. The other Utah senator I think is decent, but I don't know much about him.

12-16-2005, 03:41 AM	#6
tooblue Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 4,016	yah well you're a wacko pinko commie :lol:

12-16-2005, 04:00 AM	#7
RockyBalboa Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Salt Lake City Posts: 7,297	Why do you think Harry Reid is the most powerful LDS politician ever? I know most, even the LDS Democrats I know, would strongly disagree with that assertion. I'm curious why you feel that way. NOTE -- This is not me slamming someone for how they feel, just asking WHY they feel that way. Just in case someone reads it wrong.

12-16-2005, 04:15 AM	#10
fuegote Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 724	Hoya, that's why I'm neither a Democrat or a Republican. I'm conservative in my political stance but that doesn't mean I vote republican. I like to look at the constitution and choose the canidate the comes the closest to following the constitution's ideals. __________________ http://www.cavaliersbrigade.com home of the greatest fans in MLS.