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Old 03-21-2008, 02:45 PM   #1
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The best prepared team tends to come out and dominate early. Utah frequently did this against superior talent. The Final Two run was a model. Often the challenge was to retain the early lead.

I know this sounds like just common sense. But often excuses are made like jitters. I've noticed that some teams come out and just look like they have the other team's number from the get go, and a few coaches tend to do this with their teams time after time.
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The best prepared team tends to come out and dominate early. Utah frequently did this against superior talent. The Final Two run was a model. Often the challenge was to retain the early lead.

I know this sounds like just common sense. But often excuses are made like jitters. I've noticed that some teams come out and just look like they have the other team's number from the get go, and a few coaches tend to do this with their teams time after time.

And then you get a team missing wide-open shots, and goes 0-6 in the first five minutes of the game.

Blame it on coaching if you want, but the fact is, those were open shots that those players usually hit. And if even 40% of them go down...
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And then you get a team missing wide-open shots, and goes 0-6 in the first five minutes of the game.

Blame it on coaching if you want, but the fact is, those were open shots that those players usually hit. And if even 40% of them go down...
they weren't ready.
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they weren't ready.
You offer absolutely no insight into this argument. Lack of preparedness can be personal or coaching. The fact that we had open shots leads me to believe it was personal and not coaching.


Again, if we hit 50% of those open shots, the score is 11-8 after five minutes.
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You offer absolutely no insight into this argument. Lack of preparedness can be personal or coaching. The fact that we had open shots leads me to believe it was personal and not coaching.


Again, if we hit 50% of those open shots, the score is 11-8 after five minutes.
I agree with Seattle, a well-prepared team will have confidence and make its opening shots. Our team frequently comes out unprepared.
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I agree with Seattle, a well-prepared team will have confidence and make its opening shots. Our team frequently comes out unprepared.
I don't think you can always attribute missed shots to poor preparedness in terms of coaching.

Big-stage jitters certainly isn't unreasonable. There are numerous other excuses that have less to do with coaching.


Confidence has hardly been this team's weak-suit this year, unless you're counting over-confidence.
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I don't think you can always attribute missed shots to poor preparedness in terms of coaching.

Big-stage jitters certainly isn't unreasonable. There are numerous other excuses that have less to do with coaching.


Confidence has hardly been this team's weak-suit this year, unless you're counting over-confidence.
Note that I have never said it wasn't coaching. I've simply pointed out that to attribute these issues to coaching is at the very least misleading.
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Here's an example of what I'm talking about, from the second round in 1998. Look at the halftime score, and this was the norm. You could see in the first three minutes BYU wasn't prepared.

ARKANSAS (69)
fg ft rb
min m-a m-a o-t a pf tp
Thompson 29 3-7 0-2 2-6 0 1 6
Reid 37 6-13 4-5 0-0 7 2 16
Bradley 23 1-5 2-2 0-0 0 5 5
N Davis 15 0-4 0-0 1-3 0 1 0
Hood 23 7-9 2-2 1-3 0 5 16
Wallace 34 3-10 0-0 1-4 4 1 8
Whitney 8 2-3 0-0 2-2 0 2 5
Williams 6 0-2 2-2 1-1 0 1 2
Adebayo 21 3-6 5-7 2-4 0 3 11
Walker 3 0-1 0-0 0-0 0 1 0
Jennings 1 0-0 0-0 0-0 0 0 0
_________________________________________ ______
TOTALS 200 25-60 15-20 10-23 11 22 69
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Percentages: FG-.417, FT-.750. 3-Point Goals:
4-16, .250 (Reid 0-4, Bradley 1-3, Wallace 2-7,
Whitney 1-1, Walker 0-1). Team rebounds: 1.
Blocked shots: 3 (Thompson, N Davis, Hood).
Turnovers: 11 (Thompson 4, Adebayo, Bradley,
Hood, Reid, Whitney, Williams). Steals: 10 (Reid
4, Wallace 3, Thompson 2, Adebayo).

UTAH (75)
fg ft rb
min m-a m-a o-t a pf tp
Mottola 26 4-7 1-1 2-8 1 3 9
Miller 39 9-14 10-13 1-7 2 4 28
Hansen 34 1-2 2-4 1-4 2 4 5
Jensen 33 2-4 2-2 4-9 0 2 7
Doleac 33 5-12 5-6 1-6 1 3 16
Caton 11 0-0 2-2 0-0 0 1 2
Johnsen 17 4-6 0-0 1-1 0 2 8
Mctavish 1 0-0 0-0 0-1 1 0 0
Carlisle 1 0-0 0-0 0-0 0 1 0
Jackson 5 0-0 0-0 0-0 0 1 0
_________________________________________ ______
TOTALS 200 25-45 22-28 10-36 7 21 75
_________________________________________ ______

Percentages: FG-.556, FT-.786. 3-Point Goals:
3-4, .750 (Miller 0-1, Hansen 1-1, Jensen 1-1,
Doleac 1-1). Team rebounds: 1. Blocked shots: 2
(Mottola 2). Turnovers: 20 (Doleac 5, Johnsen 3,
Miller 3, Mottola 3, Hansen 2, Jensen 2, Jackson,
Mctavish). Steals: 2 (Hansen, Miller).
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Utah 35 40 - 75
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Here's an example of what I'm talking about, from the second round in 1998. Look at the halftime score, and this was the norm. You could see in the first three minutes BYU wasn't prepared.
If BYU hits it's two wide-open threes, and scores on one of the other posessions, and the score is 11-8, would you claim BYU was unprepared?

Do missed wide-open shots always relate directly to a team's preparedness?

Can you show me statistical evidence of BYU being routinely outscored at the beginning of games during Rose's tenure?
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