Prop 8 ad featuring LDS missionaries

[TripletDaddy]

This quote from Dallin H Oaks reminds me of some of the folks who are all up in arms that someone called out the Church on its stance.

“When churches or church leaders choose to enter the public sector to engage in debate on a matter of public policy, they should be admitted to the debate and they should expect to participate in it on the same basis as all other participants. In other words, if churches or church leaders choose to oppose or favor a particular piece of legislation, their opinions should be received on the same basis as the opinions offered by other knowledgeable organizations or persons, and they should be considered on their merits. By the same token, churches and church leaders should expect the same broad latitude of discussion of their views that conventionally applies to everyone else’s participation in public policy debates. A church can claim access to higher authority on moral questions, but its opinions on the application of those moral questions to specific legislation will inevitably be challenged by and measured against secular-based legislative or political judgments. As James E. Wood observed, “While denunciations of injustice, racism, sexism, and nationalism may be clearly rooted in one’s religious faith, their political applications to legislative remedy and public policy are by no means always clear." Finally, if church leaders were also to exhibit openness and tolerance of opposing views, they would help to overcome the suspicion and resentment sometimes directed toward church or church-leader participation in public debate. ” - Dallin H. Oaks, “Religious Values and Public Policy,” Ensign, Oct 1992, 60

[exUte]

Originally Posted by TripletDaddy

This quote from Dallin H Oaks reminds me of some of the folks who are all up in arms that someone called out the Church on its stance.

“When churches or church leaders choose to enter the public sector to engage in debate on a matter of public policy, they should be admitted to the debate and they should expect to participate in it on the same basis as all other participants. In other words, if churches or church leaders choose to oppose or favor a particular piece of legislation, their opinions should be received on the same basis as the opinions offered by other knowledgeable organizations or persons, and they should be considered on their merits. By the same token, churches and church leaders should expect the same broad latitude of discussion of their views that conventionally applies to everyone else’s participation in public policy debates. A church can claim access to higher authority on moral questions, but its opinions on the application of those moral questions to specific legislation will inevitably be challenged by and measured against secular-based legislative or political judgments. As James E. Wood observed, “While denunciations of injustice, racism, sexism, and nationalism may be clearly rooted in one’s religious faith, their political applications to legislative remedy and public policy are by no means always clear." Finally, if church leaders were also to exhibit openness and tolerance of opposing views, they would help to overcome the suspicion and resentment sometimes directed toward church or church-leader participation in public debate. ” - Dallin H. Oaks, “Religious Values and Public Policy,” Ensign, Oct 1992, 60

So is he saying to disobey the 1st Presidency's counsel on Prop 8?

[TripletDaddy]

Originally Posted by exUte

So is he saying to disobey the 1st Presidency's counsel on Prop 8?

Sure seems that way, doesn't it?

[BarbaraGordon]

I would appreciate it if someone could help me understand how a conservative would vote for prop8? Is it because the church says to? This proposition represents the very opposite of conservative philosophy. With as conservative/libertarian as everybody seems to be in the political forum, I'm really confused by the overwhelming support.

[Jeff Lebowski]

Originally Posted by BarbaraGordon

I would appreciate it if someone could help me understand how a conservative would vote for prop8? Is it because the church says to? This proposition represents the very opposite of conservative philosophy. With as conservative/libertarian as everybody seems to be in the political forum, I'm really confused by the overwhelming support.

Keep it coming. Posts like this should flush Mike out of hiding.

[il Padrino Ute]

Originally Posted by BarbaraGordon

I would appreciate it if someone could help me understand how a conservative would vote for prop8? Is it because the church says to? This proposition represents the very opposite of conservative philosophy. With as conservative/libertarian as everybody seems to be in the political forum, I'm really confused by the overwhelming support.

Who knows?

Why would liberals give two terms to a guy who thinks of women as sperm receptacles?

[BarbaraGordon]

Originally Posted by Jeff Lebowski

Keep it coming. Posts like this should flush Mike out of hiding.

Well, I rather doubt we'll see Mike, and certainly not because of anything anybody posts.

But I am really curious about this.

[TripletDaddy]

Originally Posted by BarbaraGordon

I would appreciate it if someone could help me understand how a conservative would vote for prop8? Is it because the church says to? This proposition represents the very opposite of conservative philosophy. With as conservative/libertarian as everybody seems to be in the political forum, I'm really confused by the overwhelming support.

Mormons are unique in the conservative political arena in that they do not enjoy Big Government but fully embrace Big Church.

[myboynoah]

Originally Posted by Jeff Lebowski

Keep it coming. Posts like this should flush Mike out of hiding.

For sure.

[YOhio]

My mission would have been so much more fun if we were allowed to take away people's rights and stuff. I would have been great LDS stasi.