Do believers really believe?

[Archaea]

Originally Posted by BarbaraGordon

If you know what you know then just let it go. Who cares what anybody thinks?

Exactly.

The problem I have with the semantic debate involves terminology. For a person to be speaking or discussing "knowledge" in the vernacular one is usually referring to empirical observation. Unless one is claiming a personal visitation by Deity himself, I don't find it reasonable in our language to claim knowledge without making a linguistic distinction.

But if tooblue is comfortable with his convictions, then he need not protest too much.

[Tex]

Originally Posted by RockyBalboa

It gets a little annoying after awhile Barbara.

Maybe it's just my desensitization from growing up in the anti-Mormon south, but I've never felt that annoyed by SU. He's an apostate and we know what to expect from apostates. Big deal.

I get far more annoyed with people who profess our faith, and then attempt to undermine it from within.

[myboynoah]

Originally Posted by Archaea

But if tooblue is comfortable with his convictions, then he need not protest too much.

So here it is:

Person A says he knows God exists.

Person B responds that that Person A doesn't know God exists.

Person A is required to remain silent at this point.

[Archaea]

Originally Posted by Tex

Maybe it's just my desensitization from growing up in the anti-Mormon south, but I've never felt that annoyed by SU. He's an apostate and we know what to expect from apostates. Big deal.

I get far more annoyed with people who profess our faith, and then attempt to undermine it from within.

You simply are uncomfortable if you can't conform persons to your way of believing. In another thread, SIEQ, gave a perfect analogy of a compass on the globe with the globe being at the center if you have a broad enough perspective.

Expressing differing viewpoints and experiences is not undermining. In fact, it's actually quite uplifting.

[RockyBalboa]

Originally Posted by Tex

Maybe it's just my desensitization from growing up in the anti-Mormon south, but I've never felt that annoyed by SU. He's an apostate and we know what to expect from apostates. Big deal.

I get far more annoyed with people who profess our faith, and then attempt to undermine it from within.

Define "undermine from within".

Personally I see no difference from you than those who you get annoyed with.

[All-American]

Originally Posted by RockyBalboa

Define "undermine from within".

Personally I see no difference from you than those who you get annoyed with.

SU is a member, after all.

[tooblue]

Originally Posted by BarbaraGordon

If you know what you know then just let it go. Who cares what anybody thinks?

I cannot abide people telling others what they can or cannot know. I am compelled by my convictions to counter patently false statements that are derogatory:

But really, they don't

[Archaea]

Originally Posted by myboynoah

So here it is:

Person A says he knows God exists.

Person B responds that that Person A doesn't know God exists.

Person A is required to remain silent at this point.

Person B is asking Person A use the same language as in Person B's language and in the language of common usage, Person A's declaration does not fit the definitional confines of the common language.

[BarbaraGordon]

Originally Posted by tooblue

I cannot abide people telling others what they can or cannot know. I am compelled by my convictions to counter patently false statements that are derogatory:

suit yourself. But taking on Seattle and possibly nonseq on this one seems roughly akin to battling bitter, belligerent windmills.

[Tex]

Originally Posted by Archaea

You simply are uncomfortable if you can't conform persons to your way of believing. In another thread, SIEQ, gave a perfect analogy of a compass on the globe with the globe being at the center if you have a broad enough perspective.

Expressing differing viewpoints and experiences is not undermining. In fact, it's actually quite uplifting.

Says the man who has taken a magic marker to the Bible.

Originally Posted by RockyBalboa

Define "undermine from within".

Teaching for doctrine the commandments of men.