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Old 01-22-2009, 08:44 PM   #31
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Don't go there, Tex. This is not relevant to the topic at hand. Further, even in germane context, I can't imagine that even you would try to deny the sexist and, yes, misogynistic portrayal of women by the Grimm brothers.
It was meant as a tangential jab, yes. Laugh a little.

To answer seriously, I don't know that I've actually read the actual Grimm tales as written. Can't remember, there's about a billion of them after all. But I know the Mickey Mouse versions, and to call them sexist and misogynistic is just silly and hypersensitive. I know all kinds of women who haven't been psychologically damaged by the supposed bigotry of these stories. Some even enjoy them (the horror!).

But as you say, we're off topic.
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Old 01-22-2009, 09:16 PM   #32
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The Germans ban expression of Nazi symbols and words, don't they? Sitting here today it's hard for me to defend my Dutch kinsmen. But Europeans have seen ethnic hatreds cause fifty million deaths in a period of ten years. I firmly believe Islamic fundamentalists are as fascist as Hitler. But to compare the Koran to Mein Kampf goes too far, does perhaps border on hate speech.
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Old 01-22-2009, 09:17 PM   #33
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It was meant as a tangential jab, yes. Laugh a little.

To answer seriously, I don't know that I've actually read the actual Grimm tales as written. Can't remember, there's about a billion of them after all. But I know the Mickey Mouse versions, and to call them sexist and misogynistic is just silly and hypersensitive. I know all kinds of women who haven't been psychologically damaged by the supposed bigotry of these stories. Some even enjoy them (the horror!).

But as you say, we're off topic.
But you continue on...
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Old 01-22-2009, 09:33 PM   #34
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Here may be what Mr. Wilders published that sent everybody in an uproar.

http://www.militantislammonitor.org/article/id/3094

It's certainly not the type of thing most of us would publish, meaning we wouldn't really want him to be our best friend, but jail time?
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He seems like a rogue speaker.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2008...herlands.islam

His opponents would be better off letting him speak so that he shoots himself in the foot.
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His opponents would be better off letting him speak so that he shoots himself in the foot.
Seems like that the point of allowing silly or stupid speech, no?
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Seems like that the point of allowing silly or stupid speech, no?
He doesn't have any credibility if you read his writings. His opponents will win by letting him speak. Shutting him down gives him credibility.
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