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Some Mormons are getting the whorehouse, or rather, a convenient, mediated form of it. Victorianism kept women as objects. Objects that belonged either on a pedastal (where only men could place and remove them) or in the whorehouse (because they were sexual and therefore dirty). Victorianism objectified women and in that sense it dovetails easily with both pornography and the mutually reinforcing tendencies of prudishness and perversion.
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You aren't kidding. It is difficult. The thing that has helped me alot has been art. Not all art, of course, but healthy art can cultivate a deep appreciation for beauty and beauty in nakedness. As I think Toolblue said sometime back, there's a difference between naked and nude. There's a difference between sexual and pornographic and I have a good sense of those differences (for myself, anyway). The Greek's seperation of agape, eros, and pornea was a good idea.
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SEIQ is wise beyond his years on this issue. You should be required to post your "lesson" prepared here, so that others might benefit.
It is interesting to point out the "objectivization" of women through the Victorian era. Do you believe any aspect of this resulted from the lack of process philosophy or meaningful phenomenology? Victorian seemed almost Cartesian in the manner in which you describe it.
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A young woman was sitting in on a stake YW meeting. We were going over calendar items and got into stake dances, morality, etc. The YW rose her hand and asked one of the leaders quite sincerely, "I hear the term heavy petting a lot but I don't know what it means." The leader was quite ruffled by this question and very indignantly replied, "You can look that up in your 'For the Strength of Youth pamphlet.'" C'mon, how hard would it have been for her to simply say, "touching private parts" and then move on?
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In my entire childhood prior to leaving home, the one and only time the topic of sex was ever discussed by my parents was when my mother forced my brothers and me to sit at the kitchen table and listen to a cassette tape of a talk given by Boyd K. Packer on the evils of masturbation. That was it. My wife's experience was similar. Needless to say, we are trying to do a little better with our kids.
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