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RockyBalboa · 09-27-2006, 03:25 PM

Regarding the Terrell Owens situation.

I'd like to see what both of you think. My family has been stricken deeply with the disease of depression. Though I'm normally a sarcastic guy and don't take a lot seriously, depression is one thing I take very seriously and I would really like to read what both of you think.

Thanks.

MikeWaters · 09-27-2006, 03:28 PM

i heard a report that TO had a previous serious adverse reaction to painkillers in the past, before this.

So I'm not so quick to discount this , that TO was out of his gourd and not acting rationally. We'll see.

SteelBlue · 09-27-2006, 07:30 PM

What are they saying in Dallas about TO's privacy being violated? It seems to me that somebody has reported things to the press that should never have been public knowledge. Either the EMT's or the Police must have spoken to a reporter. Surely there are laws regarding privacy that these professionals must follow.

My guess is some reporter with a scanner got himself down to the hospital and he's likely the one who reported actually seeing Owens there. It just seems so inappropriate and quite frankly illegal to have this info leaked to the media like it was. I feel for TO here.

MikeWaters · 09-27-2006, 07:33 PM

I'm not sure what rules govern EMT and police, but it would be against HIPAA for a doctor to publicize this, or a hospital.

I'm not following the media here in dallas to know what the chatter is about.

FMCoug · 09-27-2006, 07:33 PM

It's definitely bizarre. But I wouldn't expect anything different out of DPD / Dallas city government in general.

But between this and the kugr/PK/ringtonegate thing, I'm definitely not lacking in entertainment lately.

OhioBlue · 09-27-2006, 08:25 PM

I don't have a professional opinion, too little information.

But I'll give you my personal opinion:

Wouldn't surprise me if:
--it was a legitimate suicide attempt
--it was a cry for help
--it was triggered in part by a reaction to meds
--he is depressed, and it is a product of environment and personality
--he is depressed, and it is fueled primarily by biology

There, is that broad enough?

In all seriousness, the point I think I'm making is that if I've learned anything, it's that human beings are complex. Far, far more complex than can be captured by any attempts at reductionistic science, searching for biological correlates/roots, labelling a set of symptoms with some fancy term, or for that matter someone's best guesses based on just gut feel.

I could see a lot of explanations for TO's behavior making a lot of sense, but we just don't know. At least, not us here on CG or in sports fandom. But I'm sure there will be plenty of knee-jerk reactions and authoritative proclamations about what the problem was.

I just prefer to honor the human experience and the complexity of a being a little more than all that. If that makes any sense at all.

ewth8tr · 09-27-2006, 08:34 PM

i think most of the info came from a police report which is public records.

SteelBlue · 09-27-2006, 08:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ewth8tr

i think most of the info came from a police report which is public records.

I heard about it last night very late. I can't imagine that a police report was already written nor can I understand how anyone would have known to go down and request it.

danimal · 09-28-2006, 05:29 AM

I think ohioblue's right that human behavior is complex, lots of possibilities could fit the existing data, and there's not enough information to make a solid judgment. However, my hunch is that it's the least exciting of the possibilities -- I'm guessing it's a bad reaction to the pain killers. He has a history of bad responses to them. I've seen people have severe reactions to them in which they were so disoriented that they didn't know there gender anymore and their behavior was completely atypical. I think he was probably disoriented, had clouded thinking, and didn't know up from down at the moment.

In my opinion if a guy like TO was going to make a cry for help, it would be so loud that it would hurt the ears of the astronauts on the moon. The guy has serious personality problems and is an interpersonal wrecking ball. If he just wanted attention he would have done something that was more gratifying to his narcissism. If he has a major depression, he's functioning very well despite it.

I'm going beyond the data available, but I think TO's probably right -- I'm guessing this had nothing to do with suicide.

09-27-2006, 03:25 PM	#1
RockyBalboa Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Salt Lake City Posts: 7,297	Mike & OhioBlue: I'm interested in your professional opinions Regarding the Terrell Owens situation. I'd like to see what both of you think. My family has been stricken deeply with the disease of depression. Though I'm normally a sarcastic guy and don't take a lot seriously, depression is one thing I take very seriously and I would really like to read what both of you think. Thanks. __________________ Masquerading as Cougarguards very own genius dumbass since 05'.

09-27-2006, 08:25 PM	#6
OhioBlue Member Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Ames, IA Posts: 469	I don't have a professional opinion, too little information. But I'll give you my personal opinion: Wouldn't surprise me if: --it was a legitimate suicide attempt --it was a cry for help --it was triggered in part by a reaction to meds --he is depressed, and it is a product of environment and personality --he is depressed, and it is fueled primarily by biology There, is that broad enough? In all seriousness, the point I think I'm making is that if I've learned anything, it's that human beings are complex. Far, far more complex than can be captured by any attempts at reductionistic science, searching for biological correlates/roots, labelling a set of symptoms with some fancy term, or for that matter someone's best guesses based on just gut feel. I could see a lot of explanations for TO's behavior making a lot of sense, but we just don't know. At least, not us here on CG or in sports fandom. But I'm sure there will be plenty of knee-jerk reactions and authoritative proclamations about what the problem was. I just prefer to honor the human experience and the complexity of a being a little more than all that. If that makes any sense at all. __________________ On the other hand, you have different fingers. -- Steven Wright

09-28-2006, 05:29 AM	#9
danimal Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Your mom's house Posts: 588	I think ohioblue's right that human behavior is complex, lots of possibilities could fit the existing data, and there's not enough information to make a solid judgment. However, my hunch is that it's the least exciting of the possibilities -- I'm guessing it's a bad reaction to the pain killers. He has a history of bad responses to them. I've seen people have severe reactions to them in which they were so disoriented that they didn't know there gender anymore and their behavior was completely atypical. I think he was probably disoriented, had clouded thinking, and didn't know up from down at the moment. In my opinion if a guy like TO was going to make a cry for help, it would be so loud that it would hurt the ears of the astronauts on the moon. The guy has serious personality problems and is an interpersonal wrecking ball. If he just wanted attention he would have done something that was more gratifying to his narcissism. If he has a major depression, he's functioning very well despite it. I'm going beyond the data available, but I think TO's probably right -- I'm guessing this had nothing to do with suicide. __________________ Tobias: You know, Lindsay, as a therapist, I have advised a number of couples to explore an open relationship where the couple remains emotionally committed, but free to explore extra-marital encounters. Lindsay: Well, did it work for those people? Tobias: No, it never does. I mean, these people somehow delude themselves into thinking it might, but...but it might work for us.

09-27-2006, 03:28 PM	#2
MikeWaters Demiurge Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 36,365	i heard a report that TO had a previous serious adverse reaction to painkillers in the past, before this. So I'm not so quick to discount this , that TO was out of his gourd and not acting rationally. We'll see.

09-27-2006, 07:30 PM	#3
SteelBlue Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Norcal Posts: 5,821	What are they saying in Dallas about TO's privacy being violated? It seems to me that somebody has reported things to the press that should never have been public knowledge. Either the EMT's or the Police must have spoken to a reporter. Surely there are laws regarding privacy that these professionals must follow. My guess is some reporter with a scanner got himself down to the hospital and he's likely the one who reported actually seeing Owens there. It just seems so inappropriate and quite frankly illegal to have this info leaked to the media like it was. I feel for TO here.

09-27-2006, 07:33 PM	#4
MikeWaters Demiurge Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 36,365	I'm not sure what rules govern EMT and police, but it would be against HIPAA for a doctor to publicize this, or a hospital. I'm not following the media here in dallas to know what the chatter is about.

09-27-2006, 07:33 PM	#5
FMCoug Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Kaysville, UT Posts: 3,151	It's definitely bizarre. But I wouldn't expect anything different out of DPD / Dallas city government in general. But between this and the kugr/PK/ringtonegate thing, I'm definitely not lacking in entertainment lately.

09-27-2006, 08:34 PM	#7
ewth8tr Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: South Salt Lake, Utah Posts: 1,742	i think most of the info came from a police report which is public records.