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MikeWaters · 10-20-2006, 12:26 AM

Showing multiple GI's getting shot.

It really brings the war home. You can imagine yourself out there, talking to some Iraqis, keeping a close watch, and suddenly the buddy next to you goes down. Or you go down.

The thing that really, really pisses me off is the Iraqis were not the people we thought they were. We thought they wanted peace. We thought they wanted democracy. We thought a lot of things.

And I'm sure a majority of Iraqis do want these things. But the forces of evil outnumber the forces of good in terms of power.

It hurts me to think of our GI's dying for a people that can't get their f(*#$$( act together. At a certain point, we will have to concede to ourselves that we have done our duty, we have liberated these people, but what they do with that opportunity is up to them. And if they can't fight their way to liberty, then we can't do it for them.

At the very least, get our guys off the streets. Our guys should be doing two things. Resting and killing. Resting at base. And killing on missions. Sitting on a freaking street corner, waiting to get killed? Driving up and down roads waiting to get blown up? We can't police the streets of Iraq. It's been long enough that its on the Iraqis to spill their own blood on these streets protecting the peace.

The reason there isn't a good plan is not because we are dumb. It's because we are completely powerless to bring peace to Iraq. It's up to the Iraqis. And the Iraqis won't get serious until we tell them "see you later, we're gone next month."

Cali Coug · 10-20-2006, 01:35 AM

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Originally Posted by MikeWaters

Showing multiple GI's getting shot.

It really brings the war home. You can imagine yourself out there, talking to some Iraqis, keeping a close watch, and suddenly the buddy next to you goes down. Or you go down.

The thing that really, really pisses me off is the Iraqis were not the people we thought they were. We thought they wanted peace. We thought they wanted democracy. We thought a lot of things.

And I'm sure a majority of Iraqis do want these things. But the forces of evil outnumber the forces of good in terms of power.

It hurts me to think of our GI's dying for a people that can't get their f(*#$$( act together. At a certain point, we will have to concede to ourselves that we have done our duty, we have liberated these people, but what they do with that opportunity is up to them. And if they can't fight their way to liberty, then we can't do it for them.

At the very least, get our guys off the streets. Our guys should be doing two things. Resting and killing. Resting at base. And killing on missions. Sitting on a freaking street corner, waiting to get killed? Driving up and down roads waiting to get blown up? We can't police the streets of Iraq. It's been long enough that its on the Iraqis to spill their own blood on these streets protecting the peace.

The reason there isn't a good plan is not because we are dumb. It's because we are completely powerless to bring peace to Iraq. It's up to the Iraqis. And the Iraqis won't get serious until we tell them "see you later, we're gone next month."

It is very upsetting. I don't agree with our invasion of Iraq, but I do think we have to do our best with the situation Bush dealt us. That involves making several changes:

1) increasing the number of military personnel over there. The only reason we haven't is because Bush is concerned about losing more ground in the polls before an election Republicans are going to lose anyways. Suck it up and do what needs to be done.

2) stop with the political interference. This does not mean ignore the rights of the people over there. It does mean that Bush should listen to what the generals say they need and then do it. They know far more about securing an area than Bush does.

3) begin the shameless propaganda. There is no reason we need to provide dissenting voices with a forum within Iraq. Take control of the media and use it to our advantage.

MikeWaters · 10-20-2006, 01:39 AM

I don't see how more troops help. A GI on every corner? We're going to put more fingers in the dike, thereby preventing civil war?

No way I send in more troops. We'd break the back of the military, and we should be looking to leave, not expand our presence.

il Padrino Ute · 10-20-2006, 01:43 AM

The best thing to do is to quit !@#!$%ing around and let those insurgents know that they are !@$%^ing with the wrong people and demonstrate what we are capable of doing. It won't win any friends - not that there are many that ant to bve our friend right now - and it may be morally wrong, but it would also send a message to Kim Jong Il to stop with the nuclear testing.

And if I need to say it - well, nuke 'em. As Booger said in Revenge of the Nerds after the Alpha Betas trashed their house: "I say we blow the !@#$%ers up."

MikeWaters · 10-20-2006, 01:57 AM

hard to kill the enemy when you don't know who or where they are.

and if you commit genocide, well, hard to argue they are better off all dead than with Sadaam.

il Padrino Ute · 10-20-2006, 05:39 AM

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Originally Posted by MikeWaters

hard to kill the enemy when you don't know who or where they are.

and if you commit genocide, well, hard to argue they are better off all dead than with Sadaam.

That's an excellent point. I'm really not serious about using nuclear weapons, but I do feel that it's time to turn it up a notch. If the Iraqis that area not a part of the insurgent faction don't start doing their part to put an end to it, I believe they should be treated as if they are a part of the insurgency. I'll defer to Goatnapper about the true strength of the US Military, but I think one could safely assume that right now, it is the most powerful military on the planet and could end this thing sooner rather than later.

In '68 when the N. Vietnamese launched the Tet offensive, it was supposed to have been a blow to the US troops; however, the US won that battle, yet Lyndon Johnson didn't have the guts to turn it up a notch in an election year because of public opinion. Nixon won and troops were still involved until Saigon fell in I believe it was '76. Had Johnson ignored the bleeding heart hippies (today's liberal left leaders) and kicked some ass, the outcome in that war may have ended sooner and less lives would have been lost.

It seems the Bush administration is suffering from the same pussy-footedness that the Johnson administration had. Unpopular war during an election year = candy-assed politicians.

Surfah · 10-20-2006, 06:00 AM

I will speak in regards to the video only. I thought it was disgusting and irresponsible journalism of CNN to show it.

il Padrino Ute · 10-20-2006, 06:01 AM

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Originally Posted by surfah33

I will speak in regards to the video only. I thought it was disgusting and irresponsible journalism of CNN to show it.

Agreed, but considering the source, it's not really surprising, is it?

non sequitur · 10-20-2006, 09:47 AM

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Originally Posted by surfah33

I will speak in regards to the video only. I thought it was disgusting and irresponsible journalism of CNN to show it.

Why is it irresponsible? War is ugly and brutal. It should be shown as such. What's disgusting is politicians who wrap themselves in the flag and spin this war as some sort of noble venture. People should see this war for what it is.

RockyBalboa · 10-20-2006, 02:09 PM

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Originally Posted by non sequitur

Why is it irresponsible? War is ugly and brutal. It should be shown as such. What's disgusting is politicians who wrap themselves in the flag and spin this war as some sort of noble venture. People should see this war for what it is.

Yeah,,,I'm sure the parents of those killed soldiers are just thrilled that their death was broadcast for all to see.......

10-20-2006, 12:26 AM	#1
MikeWaters Demiurge Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 36,365	Sniper video on CNN Showing multiple GI's getting shot. It really brings the war home. You can imagine yourself out there, talking to some Iraqis, keeping a close watch, and suddenly the buddy next to you goes down. Or you go down. The thing that really, really pisses me off is the Iraqis were not the people we thought they were. We thought they wanted peace. We thought they wanted democracy. We thought a lot of things. And I'm sure a majority of Iraqis do want these things. But the forces of evil outnumber the forces of good in terms of power. It hurts me to think of our GI's dying for a people that can't get their f(*#$$( act together. At a certain point, we will have to concede to ourselves that we have done our duty, we have liberated these people, but what they do with that opportunity is up to them. And if they can't fight their way to liberty, then we can't do it for them. At the very least, get our guys off the streets. Our guys should be doing two things. Resting and killing. Resting at base. And killing on missions. Sitting on a freaking street corner, waiting to get killed? Driving up and down roads waiting to get blown up? We can't police the streets of Iraq. It's been long enough that its on the Iraqis to spill their own blood on these streets protecting the peace. The reason there isn't a good plan is not because we are dumb. It's because we are completely powerless to bring peace to Iraq. It's up to the Iraqis. And the Iraqis won't get serious until we tell them "see you later, we're gone next month."

10-20-2006, 01:43 AM	#4
il Padrino Ute Board Pinhead Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: In the basement of my house, Murray, Utah. Posts: 15,941	The best thing to do is to quit !@#!$%ing around and let those insurgents know that they are !@$%^ing with the wrong people and demonstrate what we are capable of doing. It won't win any friends - not that there are many that ant to bve our friend right now - and it may be morally wrong, but it would also send a message to Kim Jong Il to stop with the nuclear testing. And if I need to say it - well, nuke 'em. As Booger said in Revenge of the Nerds after the Alpha Betas trashed their house: "I say we blow the !@#$%ers up." __________________ "The beauty of baseball is not having to explain it." - Chuck Shriver "This is now the joke that stupid people laugh at." - Christopher Hitchens on IQ jokes about GWB.

10-20-2006, 06:00 AM	#7
Surfah Master Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: F'burg, VA Posts: 3,211	I will speak in regards to the video only. I thought it was disgusting and irresponsible journalism of CNN to show it. __________________ Ernie Johnson: "Auburn is a pretty good school. To graduate from there I suppose you really need to work hard and put forth maximum effort." Charles Barkley: "20 pts and 10 rebounds will get you through also!"

10-20-2006, 01:39 AM	#3
MikeWaters Demiurge Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 36,365	I don't see how more troops help. A GI on every corner? We're going to put more fingers in the dike, thereby preventing civil war? No way I send in more troops. We'd break the back of the military, and we should be looking to leave, not expand our presence.

10-20-2006, 01:57 AM	#5
MikeWaters Demiurge Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 36,365	hard to kill the enemy when you don't know who or where they are. and if you commit genocide, well, hard to argue they are better off all dead than with Sadaam.