The biggest problem with the healthcare reform

[Cali Coug]

Originally Posted by MikeWaters

Well, I'll be damned.

The democrats really are planning to drive off the cliff.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...012502952.html

I think there will be rage in the electorate like we have never seen before.

Who'd have guessed they would try this approach.

[Cali Coug]

Originally Posted by Archaea

Big stakes gamble. This is strike out at the plate if it happens badly. There's not enough to gain so why are the Dems so arrogant to try to pull this off?

Not enough to gain? Health care reform is one of THE biggest issues for the Democratic party. They have everything to gain- they can pass hugely important legislation which has eluded them for decades.

What do they have to lose?

[MikeWaters]

Originally Posted by Cali Coug

What do they have to lose?

Let's see: Senators, Congressmen, Governors, State reps, judges, and so forth down the ticket.

Destroy the country and destroy their party all at the same time. That's what I call doubling down!!!

[Archaea]

Originally Posted by Cali Coug

Not enough to gain? Health care reform is one of THE biggest issues for the Democratic party. They have everything to gain- they can pass hugely important legislation which has eluded them for decades.

What do they have to lose?

They could forfeit many seats in the House and in the Senate. Health care is a big deal to Dems but not as big to Independents, to whom Dems should cater and not to Reps.

This health care reform is disastrous for us all.

[MikeWaters]

If the dems really do try this, I wonder if we won't see some conserv. dems switch parties. "I didn't change, my party left me."

[Archaea]

Originally Posted by MikeWaters

If the dems really do try this, I wonder if we won't see some conserv. dems switch parties. "I didn't change, my party left me."

Might was as rename the Dems, the National Socialist Party.

[MikeWaters]

Honestly, I think what we are seeing is a trial balloon. It's basically sending out a draft of the State of the Union for public vetting. I expect this balloon to meet a very sharp pin, and make a very loud pop. And they will not go forward with this attempt. But to some degree it mollifies the crazy Marxists on the left. So the balloon itself is a kind of win for them (in their minds). Even though in reality, it causes them to sink even lower among independents.

[Cali Coug]

Originally Posted by MikeWaters

Let's see: Senators, Congressmen, Governors, State reps, judges, and so forth down the ticket.

Destroy the country and destroy their party all at the same time. That's what I call doubling down!!!

If you think they will lose them for passing health care reform, why wouldn't they have lost them already? The House and Senate already voted for and passed a health care bill (albeit two different versions). Are you suggesting some voters out there might still be willing to support Dems who voted for health care but wouldn't be if health care actually became law? That isn't very rational. They have already spent the political capital on it. May as well walk away with their purchase. Not only is it the right move politically, it is the right move legislatively.

[MikeWaters]

Originally Posted by Cali Coug

If you think they will lose them for passing health care reform, why wouldn't they have lost them already? The House and Senate already voted for and passed a health care bill (albeit two different versions). Are you suggesting some voters out there might still be willing to support Dems who voted for health care but wouldn't be if health care actually became law? That isn't very rational. They have already spent the political capital on it. May as well walk away with their purchase. Not only is it the right move politically, it is the right move legislatively.

This is from the "we are f-ed, at least maybe our base might like this, if we try to ram it through with parlimentarian tricks."

Good luck with that.

[Cali Coug]

Originally Posted by MikeWaters

This is from the "we are f-ed, at least maybe our base might like this, if we try to ram it through with parlimentarian tricks."

Good luck with that.

Certainly no more of a "trick" than the filibuster, which you are fine with. If you want all "tricks" removed, put it to an up or down vote. My guess is, you prefer the tricks to majority rule.