Is Ginobili a true Sixth Man?

[JohnnyLingo]

Apparently everyone with a vote thinks so.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/s...=SixthMan-0708

And yet he plays more minutes than anyone on the Spurs but Duncan and Parker. Makes no sense.

[cougjunkie]

Originally Posted by JohnnyLingo

Apparently everyone with a vote thinks so.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/s...=SixthMan-0708

And yet he plays more minutes than anyone on the Spurs but Duncan and Parker. Makes no sense.

Lingo I hate to bring my argument from CB over here, but since you are banned I will make you look stupid over here as well:

Manu:

94th in the NBA in minutes played at 31.1 minutes per game.

Since 2000 here are the numbers of the past 6th man award winners:

First here are Ginobilis numbers this year:

22.6 points, 5.5 rebounds 5.2 assists in 31.2 minutes per night.

2006-07
Leandro Barbosa 15.8 points, 2.7 rebounds, 2.8 assists in 29.7 minutes
2005-06
Mike Miller 13.7 points, 5.4 rebounds, 2.7 assists in 31.6 minutes
2004-05
Ben Gordon 16.9 points, 2.7 rebounds, 3.0 assists in 31.0 minutes
2003-04
Antawn Jamison 14.8 ponts, 6.3 rebounds, .9 assists in 29 minutes
2002-03
Bobby Jackson 15.2 points, 3.1 rebounds, 3.7 assists in 28.4 minutes
2001-02
Corliss Williamson 13.6 points, 4.1 rebounds in 29.6 minutes
2000-01
Aaron Mckie 11.6 points, 5.0 assists, 4.1 rebounds in 31.5 minutes

You tell me if he deserves the award. If not then nobody since 2000 has deserved it either.

[JohnnyLingo]

Fair enough. But I think anyone who logs the 3rd-most minutes on his team (only 3 mpg fewer than #1) isn't a Sixth Man.

If that disqualifies the past six or 10 or 30 winners, so be it. Obviously the award's qualifications need tweaking.

Come to think of it, what are the qualifications, anyway?

[cougjunkie]

Originally Posted by JohnnyLingo

Fair enough. But I think anyone who logs the 3rd-most minutes on his team (only 3 mpg fewer than #1) isn't a Sixth Man.

If that disqualifies the past six or 10 or 30 winners, so be it. Obviously the award's qualifications need tweaking.

Come to think of it, what are the qualifications, anyway?

I dont think they have qualifications, but if they do have them, minutes played should not be included. Maybe starts should be, because when Bobby Jackson won his he had over 40 starts. You have to put even more stock in to Ginobilis numbers because he is playing 20 minutes a game with the Spurs second unit. No Parker or Duncan.

[il Padrino Ute]

A better question would be why anyone would care about Ginoboli in particular or the NBA in general?

[JohnnyLingo]

Originally Posted by cougjunkie

I dont think they have qualifications, but if they do have them, minutes played should not be included. Maybe starts should be, because when Bobby Jackson won his he had over 40 starts. You have to put even more stock in to Ginobilis numbers because he is playing 20 minutes a game with the Spurs second unit. No Parker or Duncan.

I suppose my main complaint here is that I feel like Ginobili is stealing the award from someone who could benefit from the recognition it would give them.

Ginobili is widely-recognized as an elite player. On any other team he'd start in a heartbeat.

[cougjunkie]

Originally Posted by JohnnyLingo

I suppose my main complaint here is that I feel like Ginobili is stealing the award from someone who could benefit from the recognition it would give them.

Ginobili is widely-recognized as an elite player. On any other team he'd start in a heartbeat.

But looking at past winners they have all stolen the award based on what you think, because Ginobili is doing more in the same amount of minutes as the past winners he should be penalized?

With Ginobili out of the picture who should win it?

[TheSizzle36]

Originally Posted by cougjunkie

But looking at past winners they have all stolen the award based on what you think, because Ginobili is doing more in the same amount of minutes as the past winners he should be penalized?

With Ginobili out of the picture who should win it?

Matt Harpring or Kael Korver!!!!!!

[TheSizzle36]

Originally Posted by JohnnyLingo

I suppose my main complaint here is that I feel like Ginobili is stealing the award from someone who could benefit from the recognition it would give them.

Ginobili is widely-recognized as an elite player. On any other team he'd start in a heartbeat.

Ginobili is good enough to start on the Spurs. He did too for how many years? Two? Junkie?

But they like the punch he can bring off of the bench, and the scoring pop that he brings to the second unit. Thus, he is a 6th man, and the damned best 6th man in the NBA, hands down.

[TheSizzle36]

Originally Posted by cougjunkie

I dont think they have qualifications, but if they do have them, minutes played should not be included. Maybe starts should be, because when Bobby Jackson won his he had over 40 starts. You have to put even more stock in to Ginobilis numbers because he is playing 20 minutes a game with the Spurs second unit. No Parker or Duncan.

There are qualifications, one of them has to do with number of starts a player makes. I think it is something like they must not start at least half of a teams games, or something like that, though I don't know exactly what it is.