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myboynoah · 06-18-2007, 04:25 PM

I found this to be a very interesting read (although Dialogue could do a much better job of making their library more user friendly).

I've seen no lingering effects of Elder William Tucker.

The Trial of the French Mission

MikeWaters · 06-18-2007, 04:53 PM

that was a very interesting article. I found Elder Harvey's path touching.

All-American · 06-18-2007, 04:54 PM

Does going on a mission to Europe count as torture? I sure thought so at times.

Indy Coug · 06-18-2007, 04:55 PM

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Does going on a mission to Europe count as torture? I sure thought so at times.

40+ hours a week of tracting in Europe = torture

JohnnyLingo · 06-18-2007, 05:00 PM

Wow, what a heart-wrenching experience.

Something of a cautionary tale for those who would steady the ark, I think.

(And did Tucker remind anyone else of someone we know?)

MikeWaters · 06-18-2007, 05:01 PM

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(And did Tucker remind anyone else of someone we know?)

Fusnik?

Archaea · 06-18-2007, 05:27 PM

A moving article, and hopefully a lesson in how not to interview.

Why would you ask if somebody "knew" somebody was a prophet and not whether you believe it?

JohnnyLingo · 06-18-2007, 05:33 PM

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A moving article, and hopefully a lesson in how not to interview.

Why would you ask if somebody "knew" somebody was a prophet and not whether you believe it?

I figured you'd focus on the perceived shortcomings of the priesthood leaders in this story. Kinda eerie, actually.

Archaea · 06-18-2007, 05:39 PM

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I figured you'd focus on the perceived shortcomings of the priesthood leaders in this story. Kinda eerie, actually.

Well, as a critical analyst, that's what I would do if I were a leader, which won't happen, as I'm not qualified and don't desire the spot. As a business advisor I do analyze myself to see where I can improve.

I'm comfortable that the leaders probably also asked themselves the same questions.

The use of the word "know" is very unique in our subculture. You may not be aware of it, as you have grown up hearing people say they "know" something which almost all other peoples in the world would designate as "belief".

Obviously the leaders could not know what was on Elder Harvey's mind, but I wonder if he would had stayed at that critical juncture had it been phrased in terms of belief, not knowledge. My epistemology allows me to straddle the chasm of Mormonism and other philosophies, but most others don't care or care not to be aware of the difference.

Perhaps Elder Harvey became stronger through his excommunication, I know not, but his father suffered terribly as a result.

All-American · 06-18-2007, 05:41 PM

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I figured you'd focus on the perceived shortcomings of the priesthood leaders in this story. Kinda eerie, actually.

Didn't you focus on a particular aspect of the story, too? Maybe there are lessons to be learned on both sides of the story.

06-18-2007, 04:25 PM	#1
myboynoah Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Memphis freakin' Tennessee!!!!! Posts: 4,530	The Trial of the French Mission I found this to be a very interesting read (although Dialogue could do a much better job of making their library more user friendly). I've seen no lingering effects of Elder William Tucker. The Trial of the French Mission __________________ Give 'em Hell, Cougars!!! Religion rises inevitably from our apprehension of our own death. To give meaning to meaninglessness is the endless quest of all religion. When death becomes the center of our consciousness, then religion authentically begins. Of all religions that I know, the one that most vehemently and persuasively defies and denies the reality of death is the original Mormonism of the Prophet, Seer and Revelator, Joseph Smith.

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All-American Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 3,420	Does going on a mission to Europe count as torture? I sure thought so at times. __________________ εν αρχη ην ο λογος

06-18-2007, 05:27 PM	#7
Archaea Assistant to the Regional Manager Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: The Orgasmatron Posts: 24,338	A moving article, and hopefully a lesson in how not to interview. Why would you ask if somebody "knew" somebody was a prophet and not whether you believe it? __________________ Ἓν οἶδα ὅτι οὐδὲν οἶδα

06-18-2007, 04:53 PM	#2
MikeWaters Demiurge Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 36,365	that was a very interesting article. I found Elder Harvey's path touching.

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JohnnyLingo Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 2,175	Wow, what a heart-wrenching experience. Something of a cautionary tale for those who would steady the ark, I think. (And did Tucker remind anyone else of someone we know?)