Kill the wild horses to give ranchers more grass

[Levin]

Originally Posted by Goatnapper'96

This statement encapsulates the problem. Take your deep concern for us and our state and cram them so far up your ass you will belch out Bitterroot for time and all eternity. Honestly, we made do without your help before and we will make do without your help again. Kindly ignore us and we promise to reciprocate.

Spare me the self-pity. I'm not patronizing you. I'm from where you are. And no, I won't ignore how our public lands are managed. You can't confiscate them, thank goodness. For reasons of historical chance, we're from a place where the federal government on behalf of the American people gained ownership of most of our surroundings. Deal with it. If you can't, then move to a State where the federal government has little say over how land is managed b/c it owns little land -- like New Jersey.

[Levin]

I meant spare me the persecution complex. But self-pity applies too.

You're soooooooooooooooooooooo persecuted b/c the national government has a say in how national lands are managed.

[Archaea]

Originally Posted by Levin

I do have a direct interest; I'm from the West; I visit public lands where cattle graze multiple times each year; I vote for my politicians based on their views on issues affecting the West . . .

But I think you miss a major point about public lands -- they are not Idaho's or Utah's or Nevada's. They belong to the American people. It is not about dictating what you can do on your land, but what you can do on our land. You're being provincial. Just because you have the happy circumstance of living nearer to public lands doesn't mean all others should shut up.

The feds, conveniently, through their obtrusive intervention have controlled how much land is owned by private citizens. In the East, you can wax eloquently about public lands because your lands aren't controlled or owned by the feds.

So we have these non-benevolent landowners in the east who are controlled by whackos telling us locals how to live our lives. We can out to the frontiers to escape you whackos and now you follow us out here.

[Goatnapper'96]

Originally Posted by Levin

I meant spare me the persecution complex. But self-pity applies too.

You're soooooooooooooooooooooo persecuted b/c the national government has a say in how national lands are managed.

Persecution is rarely a function of government having a say, but rather the stupidity that inevitably follows when government acts upon that right. Take for example your issue about being upset that Idaho wants to keep the gray wolf herd thinned at a level that keeps it just above endangered species status ( I believe you refered to it as eradication until someone asked if perhaps you were exercising some hyperbole) and using the fact that the wolves wander onto private property to do so. This is not a public lands only debate and framing it that way demonstrates an ignorance of the issue, as what big brother does on his private property seems to impact what us potato gleaning po folk do on ourn.

[MikeWaters]

GN throws a pity party for himself every few weeks.

I'm glad the CB crowd doesn't see it. They might lose respect.

[Levin]

Originally Posted by Archaea

The feds, conveniently, through their obtrusive intervention have controlled how much land is owned by private citizens. In the East, you can wax eloquently about public lands because your lands aren't controlled or owned by the feds.

So we have these non-benevolent landowners in the east who are controlled by whackos telling us locals how to live our lives. We can out to the frontiers to escape you whackos and now you follow us out here.

Obtrusive intervention = haven't sold public lands as speedily as you wish.

And my point is that the "non-benevolent landowners" have been entirely too benevolent. The ranchers have been too powerful in setting the policy at the expense of the overall health of our public lands.

Ranchers should remain, but in a more tightly controlled and reduced manner. The price is worth it.

[Archaea]

Originally Posted by Levin

Obtrusive intervention = haven't sold public lands as speedily as you wish.

And my point is that the "non-benevolent landowners" have been entirely too benevolent. The ranchers have been too powerful in setting the policy at the expense of the overall health of our public lands.

Ranchers should remain, but in a more tightly controlled and reduced manner. The price is worth it.

The heart of bureaucracy and why I hate the Democratic Party and Eastern Bureaucrats. F... em. They wish to tell people and economies what is moral and what is not.

Anarchy is preferable to the controlled atmosphere of eastern living.

[Levin]

Originally Posted by Goatnapper'96

Persecution is rarely a function of government having a say, but rather the stupidity that inevitably follows when government acts upon that right. Take for example your issue about being upset that Idaho wants to keep the gray wolf herd thinned at a level that keeps it just above endangered species status ( I believe you refered to it as eradication until someone asked if perhaps you were exercising some hyperbole) and using the fact that the wolves wander onto private property to do so. This is not a public lands only debate and framing it that way demonstrates an ignorance of the issue, as what big brother does on his private property seems to impact what us potato gleaning po folk do on ourn.

Now you're sounding more reasonable. Where public land management affects private landowners, then accomodations need to be made.

But your accomodations -- kill 40% of the wolf population on public landsin one year, and allow private citizens to kill wolves indiscriminately, whether on public or private land if they "worry" livestock or domestics is not the proper accomodation. But it's typical . . .

[Levin]

Originally Posted by Archaea

Anarchy is preferable to the controlled atmosphere of eastern living.

Since you're from Las Vegas, i can see why you believe that. It's a wonderful place out there.

[Archaea]

Originally Posted by Levin

Since you're from Las Vegas, i can see why you believe that. It's a wonderful place out there.

Hmm, Atlantic City versus Vegas.