My brother, 2 years younger than me, is gay

[FarrahWaters]

Originally Posted by Indy Coug

Do you deny that for some non-zero population of people that homosexuality truly can be a choice, or at the very least be the byproduct of a household or society where traditional social mores no longer serve as a guide?

I don't have a time for a long answer to this, but basically, I do not believe my that having a gay brother-in-law, next door neighbor, family friend, or dog, will influence my son in his sexuality.

[Sleeping in EQ]

Originally Posted by SeattleUte

I'm not asking for speculation or windbaggery. You have the burden of proof here. Despite the enormous efforts of people like you not a shred of evidence has been discovered to support what you're saying.

He has made claims, but has given little in the way of evidence or reason.

[ewth8tr]

Originally Posted by Flystripper

My brother in law (whom I have known since he was 8 years old and is now 24) also went to extensive LDS counseling to try and "cure" his homosexuality. He remains "uncured".

Are they sure they cranked up the juice high enough?

[Levin]

Originally Posted by MikeWaters

1. I may be wrong, but I believe studies indicate that boys raised with two gay men as parents are not more likely to be gay.

2. I know my brother desperately did not want to be gay. He even went through counseling with Bishops and such in hopes of reversing it.

Whether my brother has a married male spouse versus a male live-in long-term partner will probably not be a factor in whether any of my kids become gay. I think what Levin is trying to say is that any possible knowledge or reference to a relative regarding his gayness should be avoided, up to and and including completely disowning that relative and not allowing ones kids to know of his existence. Maybe I am reading it wrong.

Regardless, I choose not to live that way.

1. Boys who are raised with two gay men may not be attracted to other boys. Boys who are raised by two gay men who do have some same-sex attraction will be influenced by the sexuality of their fathers.

2. Your brother was born gay, and is obviously not one of those who could go either way.

3. Your reading of what I am saying is, unsurprisingly and completely in character, self-serving. My bisexual niece tends my kids; my gay cousin is beloved and I am very close to her. My best friend from law school is gay, and we have him over regularly.

You must still be a little insecure on the issue, as you're being overly sensitive.


I can cite no study, but others could: there are people who are born attracted to both sexes, and their choices greatly influence which attraction will be ascendant and which will be dormant/flare up only intermittently.

Your brother's gay marriage will influence your son's choices if he is attracted, even nominally, to other boys. I was influenced by my uncle's choice of profession, by my cousin's preference in sports, etc. Some things need no cite.

Your son will be affected by your brother's gay marriage. This is NOT a reason to do anything less than fully love and accept your brother. But you're fooling yourself if it won't affect your family.

[Levin]

Originally Posted by SeattleUte

Despite the enormous efforts of people like you not a shred of evidence has been discovered to support what you're saying.

Untrue. More people around the globe, especially in Europe, are having sexual experiences with the same sex today than ever before. I'm not doing the legwork for you.

[MikeWaters]

Originally Posted by Levin

1. Boys who are raised with two gay men may not be attracted to other boys. Boys who are raised by two gay men who do have some same-sex attraction will be influenced by the sexuality of their fathers.

2. Your brother was born gay, and is obviously not one of those who could go either way.

3. Your reading of what I am saying is, unsurprisingly and completely in character, self-serving. My bisexual niece tends my kids; my gay cousin is beloved and I am very close to her. My best friend from law school is gay, and we have him over regularly.

You must still be a little insecure on the issue, as you're being overly sensitive.


I can cite no study, but others could: there are people who are born attracted to both sexes, and their choices greatly influence which attraction will be ascendant and which will be dormant/flare up only intermittently.

Your brother's gay marriage will influence your son's choices if he is attracted, even nominally, to other boys. I was influenced by my uncle's choice of profession, by my cousin's preference in sports, etc. Some things need no cite.

Your son will be affected by your brother's gay marriage. This is NOT a reason to do anything less than fully love and accept your brother. But you're fooling yourself if it won't affect your family.

do you believe that your kids' exposure to your niece and your friend will make them more likely to be gay?

[Flystripper]

Originally Posted by Levin

Your son will be affected by your brother's gay marriage. This is NOT a reason to do anything less than fully love and accept your brother. But you're fooling yourself if it won't affect your family.

I hope my sons are affected by their uncle's same sex marriage. I hope that they see that gay couples can be viable and happy members of society with little to no negative stigma. I don't worry that their Uncle's gay marriage will turn them gay.

[Levin]

Originally Posted by MikeWaters

do you believe that your kids' exposure to your niece and your friend will make them more likely to be gay?

If my son is physically attracted to other boys, yes.

1. If my son's attraction is total and complete, it won't matter.

2. If my son's attraction is somewhat weak and intermittent, it will matter.

[TripletDaddy]

Originally Posted by Tex

It would be far too narcissistic for me to continue in this thread. Cheers.

Bye, Tex.

It will be nice to read evasive responses from you in a future thread.

[SeattleUte]

Originally Posted by Levin

Untrue. More people around the globe, especially in Europe, are having sexual experiences with the same sex today than ever before. I'm not doing the legwork for you.

MORE PEOPLE THAN EVER BEFORE? Really? Your statement is not only wholly bald and unverifiable, it's meaningless. You're an idiot.