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non sequitur · 11-30-2006, 06:36 PM

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Originally Posted by jay santos

When a Time magazine poll says 35% of Americans would not consider voting for a Mormon for president, I would consider that an example of religious bigotry.

If I would not even consider a black candidate, I'm racist. female candidate, misogynist. LDS candidate, bigot. 35% is a pretty large number.

That isn't religious bigotry anymore than someone saying they would never vote for a republican is political bigotry. A large percentage of the country does not share the Convservative Christian movement's political agenda. I'm willing to bet that if you polled Americans at least 35% would say they would never vote for atheist. Is that bigotry? I don't think so.

MikeWaters · 11-30-2006, 06:38 PM

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Originally Posted by non sequitur

That isn't religious bigotry anymore than someone saying they would never vote for a republican is political bigotry. A large percentage of the country does not share the Convservative Christian movement's political agenda. I'm willing to bet that if you polled Americans at least 35% would say they would never vote for atheist. Is that bigotry? I don't think so.

Enter Harry Reid, who many liberals would not vote for because he is Mormon.

non sequitur · 11-30-2006, 07:01 PM

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Originally Posted by MikeWaters

Enter Harry Reid, who many liberals would not vote for because he is Mormon.

Harry Reid does not share the political agenda of the Conservative Christian movement. When people think of Mormons and their politics, Harry Reid does not normally come to mind. If Harry Ried's politics were typical of most mormon's, then that 35% figure would likely be much smaller.

My point is that it is not necessarily religious bigotry that drives the 35% of Americans to say they would not vote for a mormon. If anything it is political bigotry.

SeattleUte · 11-30-2006, 07:15 PM

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Originally Posted by non sequitur

Harry Reid does not share the political agenda of the Conservative Christian movement. When people think of Mormons and their politics, Harry Reid does not normally come to mind. If Harry Ried's politics were typical of most mormon's, then that 35% figure would likely be much smaller.

My point is that it is not necessarily religious bigotry that drives the 35% of Americans to say they would not vote for a mormon. If anything it is political bigotry.

Excellent point. Is political bigotry okay?

creekster · 11-30-2006, 07:26 PM

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Originally Posted by SeattleUte

Excellent point. Is political bigotry okay?

So you and NS think that 35% of the polled group state they will refuse to vote for a mormon not becasue of mormon-ness but becasue they percevei that any mormon must as a matter of necessity be aligned with the conservative christian coalition? THat seems pretty unlilkey to me.

Venkman · 11-30-2006, 07:30 PM

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Originally Posted by non sequitur

Harry Reid does not share the political agenda of the Conservative Christian movement. When people think of Mormons and their politics, Harry Reid does not normally come to mind. If Harry Ried's politics were typical of most mormon's, then that 35% figure would likely be much smaller.

My point is that it is not necessarily religious bigotry that drives the 35% of Americans to say they would not vote for a mormon. If anything it is political bigotry.

Maybe I'm not getting your point, but I don't think you're correct. If 35% wouldn't support a Mormon candidate because they perceive Mormons are conservative, then that would mean the vast majority of opposition to a Mormon candidate comes from the left. I'm pretty sure a sizable portion of opposition comes from politically conservative evangelical Christians. These folks are politically similar to the majority of Mormons, so their opposition has to be based on something else.

RockyBalboa · 11-30-2006, 07:35 PM

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Originally Posted by non sequitur

That isn't religious bigotry anymore than someone saying they would never vote for a republican is political bigotry. A large percentage of the country does not share the Convservative Christian movement's political agenda. I'm willing to bet that if you polled Americans at least 35% would say they would never vote for atheist. Is that bigotry? I don't think so.

Atheism isn't a religion.

SeattleUte · 11-30-2006, 07:54 PM

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Originally Posted by creekster

So you and NS think that 35% of the polled group state they will refuse to vote for a mormon not becasue of mormon-ness but becasue they percevei that any mormon must as a matter of necessity be aligned with the conservative christian coalition? THat seems pretty unlilkey to me.

I'm sure in that 35% are a whole bunch of Evangelical Christian bigots.

Jeff Lebowski · 11-30-2006, 08:10 PM

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Originally Posted by RockyBalboa

Atheism isn't a religion.

I think one can make a pretty good argument that it is. Agnosticism has a better claim of not being a religion, IMO. Certainly is more "rational".

myboynoah · 11-30-2006, 08:21 PM

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myboynoah Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Memphis freakin' Tennessee!!!!! Posts: 4,530	Rule of thumb: do not tell people they should not be offended. __________________ Give 'em Hell, Cougars!!! Religion rises inevitably from our apprehension of our own death. To give meaning to meaninglessness is the endless quest of all religion. When death becomes the center of our consciousness, then religion authentically begins. Of all religions that I know, the one that most vehemently and persuasively defies and denies the reality of death is the original Mormonism of the Prophet, Seer and Revelator, Joseph Smith.