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SeattleUte · 07-20-2007, 04:45 PM

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Originally Posted by pelagius

SU, you're a good man.

Interestingly enough, Indy tried to establish a consensus here that I am Lucifer incarnate and I bet he was quite suprised by the results of his poll expressing agrement with your statement. I think Waters and maybe BDB and Tex must have been the only ones in addition to Indy who voted that SU is evil.

Indy Coug · 07-20-2007, 04:48 PM

That poll was so over the top that it should have been patently clear I wasn't trying to establish you as Lucifer incarnate.

That poll was highlighting the nonsensical polls you crank out on a regular basis in which none of the options could possibly accurately reflect the views (as divergent as they are on this site) of most of the prospective respondents.

tooblue · 07-20-2007, 04:50 PM

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Originally Posted by SeattleUte

This irony is as delicious as tooblue claiming to be a postmodernist. I love irony. There's no better means to truth.

I am mostly labled as such, and true to form I am willing to play the role you have cast for me. The desire to frame a person in context to a category is the craft of lawyers. The abstract is feared, it doesn't fit, it corrupts; and therefore it must be dismatled and shelved.

It's all a game SU, and you play it as well as any one. Again, you summarily dismiss self-discovery and sincere trial-by-faith conviction.

You have found what you are looking for, and once again it will sooth your festering wounds ... for a time.

Tex · 07-20-2007, 04:50 PM

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Originally Posted by SeattleUte

Interestingly enough, Indy tried to establish a consensus here that I am Lucifer incarnate and I bet he was quite suprised by the results of his poll expressing agrement with your statement. I think Waters and maybe BDB and Tex must have been the only ones in addition to Indy who voted that SU is evil.

I didn't vote.

All-American · 07-20-2007, 05:04 PM

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Originally Posted by SeattleUte

The FARMS article reviewing Palmer's An Insider's View of Mormon Origins talks about something called "New Mormon History," apparently a movement within the LDS church among active Mormons (seemingly populated by former members of the CES) attempting to give an empirical perspective of Mormon origins, ineluctably debunking stories about gold plates, angels and visitations from Christ, yet purporting to retain a seed of belief in Joseph experiencing "an [ambiguous] encounter with God" (as Palmer puts it), and purporting to avoid polemics pro- or anti-Mormon. Is this true? FARMS says The New Mormon History is just anti-Mormonism by a new name, like creationism dressed up as "intelligent design" (my analogy not theirs). Comments?

Is "ambiguous" Palmer's word?

SeattleUte · 07-20-2007, 05:06 PM

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Originally Posted by All-American

Is "ambiguous" Palmer's word?

No. Hence the brackets.

jay santos · 07-20-2007, 05:13 PM

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Originally Posted by SeattleUte

Interestingly enough, Indy tried to establish a consensus here that I am Lucifer incarnate and I bet he was quite suprised by the results of his poll expressing agrement with your statement. I think Waters and maybe BDB and Tex must have been the only ones in addition to Indy who voted that SU is evil.

Pelagius is just being the proper Christian he is. Arch kisses your butt for some reason. Everyone else appears to have you pegged pretty well.

Archaea · 07-20-2007, 05:17 PM

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Originally Posted by jay santos

Pelagius is just being the proper Christian he is. Arch kisses your butt for some reason. Everyone else appears to have you pegged pretty well.

I actually like him, even if I disagree with him. Does that mean I have to be an asswipe to everyone I disagree with?

I like some of what you write as well. Generally I like people, and I can be an asswipe when I choose. Nonetheless I like people and culture, even our strange, somewhat repressive LDS culture. Thus in my eclectic way, I grab a little of what I wish from everywhere.

SeattleUte · 07-20-2007, 05:28 PM

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Originally Posted by jay santos

Pelagius is just being the proper Christian he is. Arch kisses your butt for some reason. Everyone else appears to have you pegged pretty well.

I wonder how a vote on Jay Santos would turn out.

pelagius · 07-20-2007, 05:28 PM

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Originally Posted by jay santos

Pelagius is just being the proper Christian he is. Arch kisses your butt for some reason. Everyone else appears to have you pegged pretty well.

No, I really do like SU. Actually, I really do like virtually everyone on the board (that's why I stick around). I like having Tex around too (Tex has always been respectful and thoughtful when I have discussed things with him). The one person that really bugged me was Aaron S (although my guess is he is a wonderful family man, but his zealotary has made him completely and utterly annoying on this board). All of the discussions when he was around were a complete waste of time.

And Jay you are actually the reason I started posting on cougarguard. I used to read cougarboard years ago before you received the Full Santos and when I noticed that you were posting here I figured there would be at least one person who might like my absurdly geeky statistical analysis of BYU football posts.

07-20-2007, 04:48 PM	#12
Indy Coug Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Between Iraq and a hard place Posts: 7,569	That poll was so over the top that it should have been patently clear I wasn't trying to establish you as Lucifer incarnate. That poll was highlighting the nonsensical polls you crank out on a regular basis in which none of the options could possibly accurately reflect the views (as divergent as they are on this site) of most of the prospective respondents.