Question about Bishops/EQP's/HP Group Leaders

[MikeWaters]

Come to think of it, the last time the Bishop accepted a recommendation from the YM President regarding a calling, it was me for Scoutmaster.

Now I am understanding why the Bishop goes his own way.

[Tex]

Originally Posted by Archaea

So you assume you know more than PAC, BYU71 or several other former bishops? That's nice to know.

No, they could be speakers as well. We could have a panel discussion ... imagine the entertainment!

BTW, I didn't know '71 was a former bishop. Is that true?

Originally Posted by MikeWaters

Bishop is going to make up his own mind, with his own prayer. I don't think my prayers have been useful. Btw, the YM President was in stake presidency for 10 years. Tex, you can take up his ignorance about the priesthood with him.

I agree it can be frustrating. It's part of the difficulty having dozens of people, all with varying levels of understanding and sensitivity to the Spirit, trying to figure out what the Spirit is saying to them. And not all bishops function perfectly ... occasionally (or maybe often) they may reject candidates you feel strongly about.

The understanding you lack is this: the auxiliaries recommend, the bishop calls.

The moment you've decided in your mind that the Spirit you received about a given recommendation should supersede the what the Bishop receives, you've overstepped your bounds, his human frailties notwithstanding.

[FMCoug]

I am of the opinion that priesthood keys are one of the least understood gospel topics. Priesthood leaders receive revelation based on their stewardship. There is nothing inconsistent about an EQP being inspired that Brother Jones should be his secretary and the Bishop at the same time receiving inspiration that he should be in YM. The EQP has no keys for the YM.

[creekster]

WHen I was executive secretary in a bishoproc a few years ago we had a sister in the ward who was a real superstar. Capbhle, charitable, friendly, loving, talented, she had it all and everybody loved her and I bnever saw her atempt something that didn't result in a great sucess. The intersting thing is that every time, and I mean EVERY time there was a reorganization of some auxialliary, or there was an opening ofr a teacher, she was asked for by the organization. If the bishop had given her to every body that asked, she would have changed clalings at least once a month and I am not exaggerating.

I think it is a little like finding someone to marry. You find someone that is right for you but they are not the ONLY one that could ever be right for you. Callings are like this. I have no doubt that most or even all of the people asking for this sister were indeed correct that she was perfect for the job, but she was not the only one and others could and did serve in those spots with success as well. The bishop has to eb the final word and it is his stewardship to so act.

[Archaea]

Originally Posted by Tex

No, they could be speakers as well. We could have a panel discussion ... imagine the entertainment!

BTW, I didn't know '71 was a former bishop. Is that true?



I agree it can be frustrating. It's part of the difficulty having dozens of people, all with varying levels of understanding and sensitivity to the Spirit, trying to figure out what the Spirit is saying to them. And not all bishops function perfectly ... occasionally (or maybe often) they may reject candidates you feel strongly about.

The understanding you lack is this: the auxiliaries recommend, the bishop calls.

The moment you've decided in your mind that the Spirit you received about a given recommendation should supersede the what the Bishop receives, you've overstepped your bounds, his human frailties notwithstanding.

You misunderstood. He was commenting upon the bishop's refusal to adopt any recommendations. If Mike's prayerful attempt is tossed by the wayside, then just stop taking recommendations and do it all yourself bishop, is an attitude which the auxiliaries feel when a bishop ignores all recommendations.

[Tex]

Originally Posted by Archaea

You misunderstood. He was commenting upon the bishop's refusal to adopt any recommendations. If Mike's prayerful attempt is tossed by the wayside, then just stop taking recommendations and do it all yourself bishop, is an attitude which the auxiliaries feel when a bishop ignores all recommendations.

I didn't misunderstand. I addressed that very thing.

[MikeWaters]

Originally Posted by FMCoug

I am of the opinion that priesthood keys are one of the least understood gospel topics. Priesthood leaders receive revelation based on their stewardship. There is nothing inconsistent about an EQP being inspired that Brother Jones should be his secretary and the Bishop at the same time receiving inspiration that he should be in YM. The EQP has no keys for the YM.

Right. That's why I don't intend to bother with a recommendation, or praying about a recommendation.

I have no keys.

[Archaea]

Originally Posted by Tex

I didn't misunderstand. I addressed that very thing.

This comment says you don't understand:

The moment you've decided in your mind that the Spirit you received about a given recommendation should supersede the what the Bishop receives, you've overstepped your bounds, his human frailties notwithstanding.

He didn't make any such comment, only that the bishop apparently uniformly rejected all of his recommendations.

In such instances, my action would be, "whatever you've already decided bishop."

[Tex]

Originally Posted by MikeWaters

Right. That's why I don't intend to bother with a recommendation, or praying about a recommendation.

I have no keys.

Originally Posted by Archaea

This comment says you don't understand:

He didn't make any such comment, only that the bishop apparently uniformly rejected all of his recommendations.

In such instances, my action would be, "whatever you've already decided bishop."

Keys are not required to recommend. However, you may want to consider, if you are as unlucky as you claim, sitting down with the bishop and asking him to help you be more effective at making them. Maybe he can give you some insight into how he approaches your recommendations and how you can make them better.

Certainly it's a better option than metaphorically taking your ball and going home. Most bishops appreciate their auxiliaries' input.

[Archaea]

Originally Posted by Tex

Keys are not required to recommend. However, you may want to consider, if you are as unlucky as you claim, sitting down with the bishop and asking him to help you be more effective at making them. Maybe he can give you some insight in to how he approaches your recommendations and how you can make them better.

Certainly it's a better option than metaphorically taking your ball and going home. Most bishops appreciate their auxiliaries' input.

I have not experienced Mike's predicament, and in almost all instances the bishop has accepted my recommendation over that of even his counselors. But if I were as uninspired as Mike, I wouldn't bother making them any more.