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Surfah · 11-12-2008, 03:07 AM

If homosexuality is not a choice, then is it not a sin?

Bruincoug · 11-12-2008, 03:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Surfah

If homosexuality is not a choice, then is it not a sin?

within the last two decades, the Church has moved from "homosexuality is a sin" TO "homosexuality is not a sin, but homosexual behavior is"

that is, it's not your fault if you have homosexual desires -- just if you indulge them or fail to suppress them.

UtahDan · 11-12-2008, 03:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Surfah

If homosexuality is not a choice, then is it not a sin?

Impulse v. action. The former is never a sin, but the latter can be.

Levin · 11-12-2008, 04:09 AM

Race is an immutable characteristic in which there is no choice. You do not "act" in order to express that immutable characteristic.

With sexual orientation, you have to act in order to express that immutable characteristic. It is that action where the commandment is broken. Christ says it is better to bear that cross, and not act, then to go to hell. This leads me to believe it is a sin. But I secretly believe immutable characteristics that require acts in order for them to be expressed are judged differently. Very differently.

Surfah · 11-12-2008, 04:27 AM

I understand and believe these things as stated. It seems to me though that some may not believe that it is a sin.

BarbaraGordon · 11-12-2008, 04:30 AM

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Originally Posted by UtahDan

Impulse v. action. The former is never a sin, but the latter can be.

???

BlueHair · 11-12-2008, 04:32 AM

Only if it's the flannel wearing lesbian type. If two hot chicks getting freaky is a sin, I don't want to be righteous.

BarbaraGordon · 11-12-2008, 04:36 AM

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Originally Posted by BlueHair

If two hot chicks getting freaky is a sin, I don't want to be righteous.

Was anybody else disappointed that the Katy girl never actually kissed any of the other girls in the cherry chapstick video? What was that about?

Surfah · 11-12-2008, 04:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Bruincoug

within the last two decades, the Church has moved from "homosexuality is a sin" TO "homosexuality is not a sin, but homosexual behavior is"

that is, it's not your fault if you have homosexual desires -- just if you indulge them or fail to suppress them.

So, homosexual desires are okay but a heterosexual can commit adultery in his heart and the sin be just as actionable as the literal act?

BarbaraGordon · 11-12-2008, 04:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Surfah

So, homosexual desires are okay but a heterosexual can commit adultery in his heart and the sin be just as actionable as the literal act?

I don't think anybody actually believes that stuff about lust in the heart being as sinful as adultery. If the church really taught that, it'd basically be a license to go get jiggy all the time.

11-12-2008, 03:07 AM	#1
Surfah Master Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: F'burg, VA Posts: 3,211	Is homosexuality a sin? If homosexuality is not a choice, then is it not a sin? __________________ Ernie Johnson: "Auburn is a pretty good school. To graduate from there I suppose you really need to work hard and put forth maximum effort." Charles Barkley: "20 pts and 10 rebounds will get you through also!"

11-12-2008, 04:09 AM	#4
Levin Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2008 Posts: 1,484	Race is an immutable characteristic in which there is no choice. You do not "act" in order to express that immutable characteristic. With sexual orientation, you have to act in order to express that immutable characteristic. It is that action where the commandment is broken. Christ says it is better to bear that cross, and not act, then to go to hell. This leads me to believe it is a sin. But I secretly believe immutable characteristics that require acts in order for them to be expressed are judged differently. Very differently. __________________ "Now I say that I know the meaning of my life: 'To live for God, for my soul.' And this meaning, in spite of its clearness, is mysterious and marvelous. Such is the meaning of all existence." Levin, Anna Karenina, Part 8, Chapter 12

11-12-2008, 04:27 AM	#5
Surfah Master Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: F'burg, VA Posts: 3,211	I understand and believe these things as stated. It seems to me though that some may not believe that it is a sin. __________________ Ernie Johnson: "Auburn is a pretty good school. To graduate from there I suppose you really need to work hard and put forth maximum effort." Charles Barkley: "20 pts and 10 rebounds will get you through also!"

11-12-2008, 04:32 AM	#7
BlueHair Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Utah Posts: 1,148	Only if it's the flannel wearing lesbian type. If two hot chicks getting freaky is a sin, I don't want to be righteous.