07-08-2008, 04:17 AM | #21 | |
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In comparison, having your mom and dad pissed at you is a walk in the park. That person can always just find and marry a nice Mormon after baptism. Again, there is absolutely no comparison. trying to make one seems trite, although I know that was not your intent.
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I agree with you; I cannot think of a heavier personal spiritual cross than the one gay members of the church are asked to carry.
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This raises a question: where do we draw the line regarding Adam's principle of "Heavenly Father would not want His children to suffer so"?
If we accept that a common side effect of obedience is pain and suffering, where does Adam draw the line for what becomes excusable conduct? Must it be that the First Presidency just has it wrong on the law of chastity?
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Once I reach where you are, I doubt I'll share your conclusion, though. Wishing that the law of chastity encompassed no premarital sex, gay or straight, but permitted post-marital sex, gay or straight, does not change the reality of what has been handed to us by the First Presidency. Until the First Presidency changes the law of chastity along the lines above, all I'm left with are the scriptures on carrying the cross, and Christ's promise to help with the load (to give hope that the burden has a purpose). For most gay mormons, who will have gay sex (I agree with you; sexual desire is like thirst or hunger; tell a man not to drink or eat his entire life . . . ), that means a life of sexual fulfillment, but spiritual torment (if they still believe). I have to believe that part of Christ's promise to help carry the load includes carrying some of this spiritual anguish in sin for those who are asked to carry the heaviest of crosses.
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