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Flystripper · 08-13-2008, 10:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Rickomatic

But if they want to participate in this old-fashion custom, why don't they follow all of the established rules of said custom. Lets just say, I want to play baseball the same way they did in the 1880. Would I not only need to look the part of playing in the 1880s but follow the rules of that time period? Today's baseball game is very different than that game and just because it has the same name does not mean it is the same game. I think today most 'legal' marriages are more of a civil union that has no more power than the bind the two parties involved have for it. Today even temple marriages are breaking up at a record pace.

The custom is not old fashioned due to its overwhelming acceptance as normal behavior today. It is normal today for hetero couples to marry. They marry for many reasons, but I would wager that the overwhelming reason for marriage amongst hetero couples is that they love each other. The fact that 50% of these marriages end in divorce does not mean that their marriages are not valued and celebrated at the time that they are married.

Gay couples love each other. Society's current custom is that the normal result of love is marriage. Gays want to be married because that is what normal people that love each other do. So it comes down to 2 things. 1. gays love each other and 2. gays want to be considered normal. How is this difficult to understand?

il Padrino Ute · 08-13-2008, 10:55 PM

Am I the only one here cynical enough to think that part of the reasons gays want to be married is so they can get the social security benefits that spouses receive when the other spouse dies?

Flystripper · 08-13-2008, 10:57 PM

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Originally Posted by il Padrino Ute

Am I the only one here cynical enough to think that part of the reasons gays want to be married is so they can get the social security benefits that spouses receive when the other spouse dies?

Of course that is one reason. They want to be considered a spouse in every sense of the word.

Jeff Lebowski · 08-13-2008, 11:00 PM

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Originally Posted by il Padrino Ute

Am I the only one here cynical enough to think that part of the reasons gays want to be married is so they can get the social security benefits that spouses receive when the other spouse dies?

Why shouldn't they?

scottie · 08-13-2008, 11:14 PM

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Originally Posted by il Padrino Ute

Am I the only one here cynical enough to think that part of the reasons gays want to be married is so they can get the social security benefits that spouses receive when the other spouse dies?

Do gays not pay social security tax?

il Padrino Ute · 08-13-2008, 11:23 PM

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Originally Posted by scottie

Do gays not pay social security tax?

Yes, they do. And to receive those benefits, one's spouse must die. Which is why I asked the question. I don't believe that the reason they want to get married is only to be recognized as being as "normal" as heterosexuals.

Gidget · 08-13-2008, 11:29 PM

David Melson, assistant executive director of Affirmation, said his organization publicized its proposals - which include standardized training for LDS bishops on how to counsel gay and lesbian Mormons - to cut through the "bureaucracy's inertia" and get Affirmation's message to LDS President Thomas S. Monson.
"You can't just walk in and say, 'Hi, President Monson, here we are.' "

I wonder if this was really their true reason. I mean, I am sure it is very hard to get a message up to the First Presidency, but is it so hard that they would go about getting attention publicly like this? - or just impatience? and is that impatience warranted when it is obviously difficult to jump through all the hoops to get direct and focused time and answers?

il Padrino Ute · 08-13-2008, 11:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Jeff Lebowski

Why shouldn't they?

I'm not saying they shouldn't receive those benefits.

I think they could get a lot more support if they listed all reasons in their argument for making gay marriage legally recognized. On the flip side, those for Prop. 8 ought to give full disclosure as well. Not wanting to pay more taxes to increase the number of those receiving spousal security benefits should be a stated reason for not wanting gay marriage legalized too.

scottie · 08-13-2008, 11:52 PM

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Originally Posted by il Padrino Ute

Yes, they do. And to receive those benefits, one's spouse must die. Which is why I asked the question. I don't believe that the reason they want to get married is only to be recognized as being as "normal" as heterosexuals.

Who's saying that's the only reason? And why wouldn't they feel entitled to receive that benefit?

scottie · 08-13-2008, 11:58 PM

Took me awhile to type that from my blackberry IPU, so I didn't catch your response before submitting reply.

08-13-2008, 10:55 PM	#112
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08-13-2008, 11:29 PM	#117
Gidget Member Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: With Surfah Posts: 329	David Melson, assistant executive director of Affirmation, said his organization publicized its proposals - which include standardized training for LDS bishops on how to counsel gay and lesbian Mormons - to cut through the "bureaucracy's inertia" and get Affirmation's message to LDS President Thomas S. Monson. "You can't just walk in and say, 'Hi, President Monson, here we are.' " I wonder if this was really their true reason. I mean, I am sure it is very hard to get a message up to the First Presidency, but is it so hard that they would go about getting attention publicly like this? - or just impatience? and is that impatience warranted when it is obviously difficult to jump through all the hoops to get direct and focused time and answers? __________________ I am a philosophical Goldilocks, always looking for something neither too big nor too small, neither too hot nor too cold, something jussssst right. I'll send you a card from purgatory. - PaloAltoCougar

08-13-2008, 11:58 PM	#120
scottie Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Utah Posts: 525	Took me awhile to type that from my blackberry IPU, so I didn't catch your response before submitting reply.