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MikeWaters · 04-13-2009, 01:48 AM

at least not the Somali ones.

But now that we have killed the pirates, we probably should expect many international sailors to suffer and die as a result.

http://apnews.myway.com/article/20090412/D97H5GRG0.html

What a bizarre world we live in, where pirates do what they will against these ships, with almost no resistance.

The game of exchanging money is over, and now it will be exchanging blood and money, and it has been said that the US Navy does not have the ships do anything meaningful in that area. It's just too much sea and not enough ships.

Who on the right, and who on the left want to go to war with Somali gangs? I'm not saying no one does, I'm just throwing out a question. Who wants to nation-build?

danimal · 04-13-2009, 01:59 AM

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Originally Posted by MikeWaters

at least not the Somali ones.

But now that we have killed the pirates, we probably should expect many international sailors to suffer and die as a result.

http://apnews.myway.com/article/20090412/D97H5GRG0.html

What a bizarre world we live in, where pirates do what they will against these ships, with almost no resistance.

The game of exchanging money is over, and now it will be exchanging blood and money, and it has been said that the US Navy does not have the ships do anything meaningful in that area. It's just too much sea and not enough ships.

Who on the right, and who on the left want to go to war with Somali gangs? I'm not saying no one does, I'm just throwing out a question. Who wants to nation-build?

Not sure it's in the pirates' best interest to kill too many hostages. You can't get paid for dead people.

MikeWaters · 04-13-2009, 02:10 AM

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Originally Posted by danimal

Not sure it's in the pirates' best interest to kill too many hostages. You can't get paid for dead people.

when no one ever dies, it is a gentleman's game.

when people start dying, that means you are talking about real money.

There are some complicated calculations here: if you kill too many crew, the crew will finally devise better ways of fighting back, making the piracy more costly. But if you never kill, then you are not taken seriously, and the prices you command are lower.

The action of America tips the pirates towards being more violent. I.e. the equation changes somewhat.

Indy Coug · 04-13-2009, 01:03 PM

They claimed they shot when it appeared the captain was in "imminent danger".

tooblue · 04-13-2009, 03:37 PM

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Originally Posted by MikeWaters

when no one ever dies, it is a gentleman's game.

when people start dying, that means you are talking about real money.

There are some complicated calculations here: if you kill too many crew, the crew will finally devise better ways of fighting back, making the piracy more costly. But if you never kill, then you are not taken seriously, and the prices you command are lower.

The action of America tips the pirates towards being more violent. I.e. the equation changes somewhat.

They claim an AK 47 barrel was in the captains back. It' also clear that deadly force was authorized by the President. By the way the wussy French were the first to attempt a rescue mission a few days before this incident. One of the French hostages was killed in that action. So, it was the French who changed the game, not the Americans!

MikeWaters · 04-13-2009, 03:43 PM

I'm sorry, I'm not believing any media reports coming out of this thing.

It's clear that the curtain has been pulled down.

It's how many days now and we still don't have a story that makes sense of how the crew "recaptured" the vessel, and how the lifeboat ended up in the water with the captain.

Indy Coug · 04-13-2009, 03:47 PM

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Originally Posted by MikeWaters

I'm sorry, I'm not believing any media reports coming out of this thing.

It's clear that the curtain has been pulled down.

It's how many days now and we still don't have a story that makes sense of how the crew "recaptured" the vessel, and how the lifeboat ended up in the water with the captain.

Have patience and a Very Special Dateline NBC will reveal all in one to two weeks from now.

Archaea · 04-13-2009, 03:47 PM

http://www.cnn.com/2009/WORLD/africa...nge/index.html

a prophet in our mix.

MikeWaters · 04-13-2009, 03:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Indy Coug

Have patience and a Very Special Dateline NBC will reveal all in one to two weeks from now.

I'll be waiting to get the final word from Katie Couric. The stunning revelation will be Jack Bauer's role in all of this.

Cali Coug · 04-13-2009, 04:10 PM

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Originally Posted by MikeWaters

I'm sorry, I'm not believing any media reports coming out of this thing.

It's clear that the curtain has been pulled down.

It's how many days now and we still don't have a story that makes sense of how the crew "recaptured" the vessel, and how the lifeboat ended up in the water with the captain.

The last I read, the captain ordered all his men into a barricaded room on the ship, and they locked themselves in. The captain then surrendered himself and convinced the pirates to take just him as a hostage for ransom. They agreed, lowered themselves off the boat in the ship's lifeboat and the navy showed up. The crew "retook" the ship in the sense that nobody was on the ship when they came out.

04-13-2009, 01:48 AM	#1
MikeWaters Demiurge Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 36,365	Pirates don't usually kill at least not the Somali ones. But now that we have killed the pirates, we probably should expect many international sailors to suffer and die as a result. http://apnews.myway.com/article/20090412/D97H5GRG0.html What a bizarre world we live in, where pirates do what they will against these ships, with almost no resistance. The game of exchanging money is over, and now it will be exchanging blood and money, and it has been said that the US Navy does not have the ships do anything meaningful in that area. It's just too much sea and not enough ships. Who on the right, and who on the left want to go to war with Somali gangs? I'm not saying no one does, I'm just throwing out a question. Who wants to nation-build?

04-13-2009, 03:47 PM	#8
Archaea Assistant to the Regional Manager Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: The Orgasmatron Posts: 24,338	http://www.cnn.com/2009/WORLD/africa...nge/index.html a prophet in our mix. __________________ Ἓν οἶδα ὅτι οὐδὲν οἶδα

04-13-2009, 01:03 PM	#4
Indy Coug Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Between Iraq and a hard place Posts: 7,569	They claimed they shot when it appeared the captain was in "imminent danger".

04-13-2009, 03:43 PM	#6
MikeWaters Demiurge Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 36,365	I'm sorry, I'm not believing any media reports coming out of this thing. It's clear that the curtain has been pulled down. It's how many days now and we still don't have a story that makes sense of how the crew "recaptured" the vessel, and how the lifeboat ended up in the water with the captain.